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[brad hibbard]

with prices of everything we touch escilating on a daily basis will racing come to a point that we say its time to cancel the season?

it's a sad time in the world right now and it is very hard to find products but even when you do find what you need, the cost is considerably higher than expected.

I am having a hard time even guessing what the season will bring

Brad

[Mopar DLM]

With fuel and tire prices on a steady rise how long will teams try to stretch the amount of laps on things like engines, rearends, transmissions, or maybe even tires in some cases to try and save? Does it eventually catch up and the failure rate of a ticking time bomb becomes more with them pushing the envelope on things that have a fairly know time on an already lit fuse. Will it become something that ends up costing them more money by trying to save some. Brad, with the crate engines can they be rebuilt or only refreshed? Are the tolerances so close that if it blows up you just need to buy a new one or can it be pieced back together and still be legal

[dirtslinger71]

with prices of everything we touch escilating on a daily basis will racing come to a point that we say its time to cancel the season?

it's a sad time in the world right now and it is very hard to find products but even when you do find what you need, the cost is considerably higher than expected.

I am having a hard time even guessing what the season will bring

Brad

I fear it will escalate the death of an already dying sport...

[brad hibbard]

unfortunately when a crate actually "blows up"--there is usually nothing but a set of valve covers and maybe an intake manifold
when a piston fails (and that is usually what goes first) it goes off like bomb
there is no boring or oversized anything permitted for the cylinders
cranks can be ground 10/10 but other than that you are stuck with factory specs

fortunately with average maintenance and keeping the RPM and timing in check they will last a really long time

Brad

[Mopar DLM]

Brad, when you were testing the flat base air cleaners did you ever do any tests with spacers under the base? Just wondering if maybe a 2" spacer between carb and base would change anything for the good with it maybe giving it a velocity stack effect.

[brad hibbard]

the spacer rings move the torque number around a bit
really it's nothing game changing (on a crate)
my opinion is the correct height to gather cool air while not too high to decrease downforce or to create turbulance within the housing is more important than being able to tune the torque by a couple digites per RPM range

Ben Walker is big on changing the sure seal ring height to customize the torque for track conditions but I just don't see enough swing in a crate engine to compromise the other posabilities
800HP is probably a different story

Brad

https://www.race-1.com

[Mopar DLM]

Thanks Brad. Always good solid info. Anything fun, new or exciting you might be working on or hear about? It has become a little stale on here lately.

[brad hibbard]

I hear you on the stale part
actually thats why I started this thread a while back just to spark up some conversation for those of us that are not facebook junkies

as for me ---I live in the crate box---it's pretty much the same all the time
we need dynoman 14 to come back with some space age technology LOL

we recently added O2 sensors to our dyno and that is quite the eye opener from traditional flow meters to calculate fuel curve

Brad

https://www.race-1.com

[ZERO25]

Dynoman 14???......i always thought that was yours or Hendrens alter ego!....lol.....jk!

With all the intake manifold inserts on the market now, has there been any testing to see any power increases or even just moving the power band around?

[Mopar DLM]

With having the O2 sensors now how close is the distribution on the GM 604 intake manifold from the factory.

[brad hibbard]

I currently only have one O2 sensor in each collector and the unbalance that I see in that is disturbing
I have an associate in Canada that runs 10 O2's and he is guiding me into this process
He tells me the imbalance that I am seeing will be caused by one dominant or weak cylinder.

once i get a handle on this ---I will start creating track conditions by rolling the engine to the right 7 to 10 degrees and blowing high speed air at the air cleaner---this will help tell us if dynamic conditions help or hurt

right now I am just trying to get my head wrapped around the information

i am really not sure what attempt we can or will do to balance the cylinders but I don't want to start that process until I am much more comfortable with the information

to say the least it is quite an eye opener

Brad

https://www.race-1.com

[fastford]

Im glad to hear your getting in to this , my brother retires from work in about a year and a half and we plan on getting a new or new as we can dyno , he is more of the tech geek and loves this kind of stuff ....

[brad hibbard]

I just cheked in and realized there has not been a post on the crate tech tab for over 2 months

what has happened to our chat boards???

[Mopar DLM]

My guess is everyone now runs the exact same stuff. Not much need to discuss different combos or better parts. They get the best that money can buy just like almost every car parked near them and can't figure out why they are not any faster than any of them. Not very many racers today want to try and make themselves faster, they only want to buy themselves faster. Plus most of the threads on here have gone to the idiots. If a person puts something worth a darn on the site some jack leg hijacks it and turns it negative. I personally don't run crates but I always check on here cause there is a chance I can learn something. This thread has been going a long time and has a lot of good info in it.

[JustAddDirt]

needs more power.... so i rewired it!!!

ight now I am just trying to get my head wrapped around the information

i am really not sure what attempt we can or will do to balance the cylinders but I don't want to start that process until I am much more comfortable with the information

to say the least it is quite an eye opener

Brad
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Brad, after the possible weak cylinder has been identified can you check signal wheel and rotor phasing? Mayne massage the signal wheels location a bit to get more or less timing to help balance out the cylinders? just a thought. dunno if it is feasable