"Old Style" valving vs "Deflected Disc" valving

[ENVY Suspension]

Wow, very well put there "GO VOLS"

[Ghopper]

........For the person or persons trying to copy one curve from a manufacturer to another - you are MISSING THE BOAT!!! You must understand flow, # of ports in use and the affect that both have for tension to create the desired valving. Its funny to listen to some of you that "UNDERSTAND" all this shock stuff and you really don't. You guys make me laugh A LOT!

Go Vols - you are also making an assumption that could be wrong. The person who said they could imitate one builder's damper curves within another brand of shock maybe using more accurate test methods than a sinusoidal dyno. You or I do not know what they are using (track playback, step input, frequency sweep correlation). So some reservation could be used before throwing CAPTIALS at them.

From a racer perspective, I believe you should just buy the damper that you want instead of trying to copy it. Unless that is fun for you.


Ghopper

[F22 RAPTOR]

Save the caps for someone else.

Ok, im going to chime in here now! Sobe92 , you are WRONG about when Afco switched to deflective disc stuff. They made the change in 2006 & 2007, but, there stuff can be built to as good as any. For the person or persons trying to copy one curve from a manufacturer to another - you are MISSING THE BOAT!!! You must understand flow, # of ports in use and the affect that both have for tension to create the desired valving. Its funny to listen to some of you that "UNDERSTAND" all this shock stuff and you really don't. You guys make me laugh A LOT!

You make me laugh a lot too with your smug all caps comments. I guess your not as sharp as you think you are if you can't make your shocks mimic another brand/design dampening curve. I don't have to know what parts are in your shocks or number of ports or the flow, I know what's in mine and what to change to make it do what's needed. You see there are so many variables from one brand or design to another, knowing what you've got is pointless. If you take into account the rod displacement differences or the piston diameter differences or valving style(deflective disc or slotted carrier & bypass) from shock brand/style there is no need to know what particular parts you may have used. All I need to know is what parts I need in mine to achieve the desired dampening effects. Look at that, I managed to respond without using a full line of caps to do it. No I don't use a dyno that scribbles with a pencil and no I don't use a drill and hand stroking to compare results. For my money a Roerhig is the best dyno to use and only the highest quality synthetic oils, I prefer Motul, but there are other good ones. Go Dawgs!

[jason29a]

F22 Raptor is right...

Professional race teams have there shocks built to what they want them. Doesnt matter what brand of shock there using at all.

I dont mean just valving. The shocks movement is controlled top to bottom. High and low shaft speed. Racer X maybe on Integra and want his shock to be 40# @ 3inches. And Racer Y may want his Integra's to be 30# @ 3 inches. Theses numbers are just examples but im just saying there no magic valve for one car or driving style to the next. You have to know exactly what you got, and then you can start working on what you want.

[F22 RAPTOR]

Thank you Jason. Go Dawgs!