bob peirce latemodels

[supercomet32]

It has been very well discussed all over the net, at the track, through the grapevine that Rocket has one of the best tech departments in this business. I have driven a dozen different Rockets in the past few years and talked with people both at the track and on the phone and not one bit of information that I have gotten has been bogus.

I get my cars directly from shinnston and have been in this business a long time. you dont just stop workign at a shop and start telling people that what they do is bull(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word) when to the rest of the customers it isn,t without their being an ulterior reason behind that opinion.

If what he says is true then why would he be in direct conflict with the opinions of the majority of Rocket owners? people dont like the richards attitude, people dont like the bloomquist attitude but i assure you somewhere there is someone that doesnt like anyones atittude. people are biased against a person to they take it out on the business end and try to make them out to be liars cheats thieves and con artists but that simply is not the case.

also just because you dont agree with my opinion on another topic dont bring it here that isnt what this one is about. you want to discuss the indepenent suspension do it on the thread for it. i stand by what i said based on the knowledge of the topic and experience that i have with it. dont agree fine go do your own research. but i havent given you bullshyt info. i havent quoted you numbers without knowing what im talking about. Rocket doesnt lie to customers just to sell chassis. A former employee has to come in to question when they automatically start downing their former employer. usually they are just angry over their seperation and will do or say anything to get even.

[fastford]

I have driven a dozen different Rockets in the past few years and talked with people both at the track and on the phone and not one bit of information that I have gotten has been b .

just my point, most racers ,like me, cant afford a dozen race cars in just a few years, as i said in my post above, i doubt richards would give me the time of day if i only spent 5 grand ever few years with him, JMO

[mqdirtracer57]

My advice would to be buy what wins in your area and give you the most tech support when needed. Getting a good base set-up is the key to making adjustments in the right direction...I have always been a GRT owner,now I have a Rocket. Rockets are what wins in my area and if I need a pointer or two,there are always a Rocket within a couple pits stalls away that is running good and willing to help me out.

[supercomet32]

If you bought a chassis from rocket or bought a rocket from anyone they will help you. some people think otherwise but they are wrong Rocket has one if not the best tech assistance programs in this business

GRT and Mastersbilt ranks righ tup there too...BOB PIERCE OR CJ RAYBURN...NOT EVEN CLOSE

[fastford]

If you bought a chassis from rocket or bought a rocket from anyone they will help you. some people think otherwise but they are wrong Rocket has one if not the best tech assistance programs in this business

GRT and Mastersbilt ranks righ tup there too...BOB PIERCE OR CJ RAYBURN...NOT EVEN CLOSE

now you have to bring cj into this, i can remember a few years back when his stuff was winning alot of races, people said the same thing about him then that you are saying about rocket now, only difference was, cj would try and help the little man

[hms_11]

I have no opinion on any other chassis builder, I'm sure there are good ones and bad ones, but I have only been in the DLM game 2 years and have only driven Rockets up to this point so thats what I have to base my experience off of.

Last year was my first season and we ran in the DIRT Pro Late Model division wayyyyy up here in Ontario, Canada. I bought a used 2007 Black front car privately. Needless to say, I had LOTS of questions after coming from a street stock class. Anthony at Rocket ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS went out of his way to help me... and this was before I had ever spent a dime with them. This year we purchased a new chassis, and after the amazing support we received it was impossible for me to consider anyone but Rocket so we went with a shiny new 2011 Blue/Grey. I should probably say that I only bought a bare chassis with (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)pit and deck, not a full roller.

If thats not the definition of helping the "little guy" or getting great tech without spending a dime.... I don't know what is.

Again, not knocking any other chassis builders tech.... but if a no-name crate driver out of Canada can get great help from Rocket without spending a dime... anyone can.

I should probably note that I have never called them though. I'm too busy throughout the work day to get to a phone so I always just shoot them an email. I think the longest I've waited on an answer is 2 hours.

[supercomet32]

cj will help you but he doesn't have a serious technical support. that was what i was referring to with cj. no shock ideas, no 4 bar ideas, nothing in terms of front end geometry. and i can see why pierce would revamp a rayburn to make it his own but as far as tech neither have it and bob is too busy to take his chassis business serious if he can't have someone that understands tech answer the questions that come in.

[24jmod]

Bprc

I live in NY and I am one of two drivers driving a BPRC super late model in NY and I think PA for that matter.....could be wrong of course but anyways.....the only cars I have driven are a BPRC and I will say that they drive awesome right out of the box with bobs starting setups.....I will admit yes the tech support directly from bob is a little slow but he is a one man band right now when it comes to that and with his son racing it might be hard for him. I have only called bob three times and all three times he got back to me late that night or the next day.....but like someone said earlier in this thread get on Facebook and ask some other pierce drivers what they are doing.....or like someone posted on here give one of Bobs other dealers a call they will help you out....I call Brent Rhebergen all the time to get tech help cause he is running bobs late models and he is the NY/PA/OH dealer and he is alot of help and we shar information and we have made great strides with are cars this year up here in NY....I think bobs cars are great cars to drive....I have two of them and I will stand behind them....so I would look into it a little more yourself before ruling out a BPRC

[fastford]

I have no opinion on any other chassis builder, I'm sure there are good ones and bad ones, but I have only been in the DLM game 2 years and have only driven Rockets up to this point so thats what I have to base my experience off of.

Last year was my first season and we ran in the DIRT Pro Late Model division wayyyyy up here in Ontario, Canada. I bought a used 2007 Black front car privately. Needless to say, I had LOTS of questions after coming from a street stock class. Anthony at Rocket ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS went out of his way to help me... and this was before I had ever spent a dime with them. This year we purchased a new chassis, and after the amazing support we received it was impossible for me to consider anyone but Rocket so we went with a shiny new 2011 Blue/Grey. I should probably say that I only bought a bare chassis with (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)pit and deck, not a full roller.

If thats not the definition of helping the "little guy" or getting great tech without spending a dime.... I don't know what is.

Again, not knocking any other chassis builders tech.... but if a no-name crate driver out of Canada can get great help from Rocket without spending a dime... anyone can.

I should probably note that I have never called them though. I'm too busy throughout the work day to get to a phone so I always just shoot them an email. I think the longest I've waited on an answer is 2 hours.

so you bought a new chassis from them and have never picked up a phone and called them? wow i must be a little behind on this computer stuff, ive always liked to hear the voice of the person im dealing with ever now and then, but to each his own.

[hms_11]

so you bought a new chassis from them and have never picked up a phone and called them? wow i must be a little behind on this computer stuff, ive always liked to hear the voice of the person im dealing with ever now and then, but to each his own.

Well... I did talk to them on the phone twice. Once to give them my credit card number to put the deposit on the new car... and once because my Canadian accent/terminology is different then Anthonys West Virginian english.... lol
I have nothing against the phone and sometimes its the only way... but it's just not practical for me to spend 1/2hr -1hr on the phone during the work day... I can shoot him an email with any question or problem I'm having, and can normally include more details then with a phone conversation because I can attach pictures or a video from our on board camera. I find the more information you can give them the better the answer is going to be.
I sometimes wonder if most peoples problems with tech help isn't just a poorly described problem.

[jason29a]

I think people try to rely to much on the chassis builders. And like to blame poor driving and poor track tuning on bad tech support. 90% of the teams out there wouldn't run any better if they had Mark Richards or Barry Wright tuning the car.

[fastford]

I think people try to rely to much on the chassis builders. And like to blame poor driving and poor track tuning on bad tech support. 90% of the teams out there wouldn't run any better if they had Mark Richards or Barry Wright tuning the car.

i agree 100%

[hucktyson]

I think people try to rely to much on the chassis builders. And like to blame poor driving and poor track tuning on bad tech support. 90% of the teams out there wouldn't run any better if they had Mark Richards or Barry Wright tuning the car.

I would be willing to bet a considerable amount of money that 95% of teams would run better with ronnie stuckey phyisically standing there at the track working on there race car ... Im not saying they would win but neither did you , you simply said "run better"

[hpmaster]

I would be willing to bet a considerable amount of money that 95% of teams would run better with ronnie stuckey phyisically standing there at the track working on there race car ... Im not saying they would win but neither did you , you simply said "run better"

I have to agree. More than once I have had some very knowledgeable guys watch how I was running and suggest a change and more times than not they were right. I personally find it hard "see" changes needed from the seat sometimes, that's where the knowledgeable guys would be a plus.

[supercomet32]

I bet you would see a better adjustment choice 95% of the time with th local guys though. on the tours probably 65%. the manufacturer knows more about what his cars do than the local teams.

with the help of a shock builder in your area is about as close and probably better investment. but not just shock builder but one who puts cars in victory lane.

but someone needs to listen to the builders they are the designers and are the starting point to know whats underneath you. people are biased against companies like rocket because of attitudes that they have 50% influence on in the way they may have approached, communicated with and perceived the information they were given. negative attitudes are often at the root of the problem. If you approach the builder with an open mind when it is something you haven't tried before eyoull get better results i promise you. my opinion a rocket takes a rocket behind the wheel that isnt afraid to let it rip in the corner and a lot of other builders cars won't let you do that so when a rocket blows by where they are slowing down it hurts their feelings. not to say rocket is the only one just an example. everybody is on the throttle down the straight but in the corners on the gas and passing tends to crumple fenders and feelings....jus saying don't matter if its a masters, a masters by mars, a bloomquist