Is this really necessary ?

[RacerX10]

Does a dirt late model have to look like this (rolled over on RF):



... to be fast these days ? Does anybody at all still run factory setups / no bump stop / no stack / etc and do well ?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

The more stop and go your track is, the better your chances of success with a lf pulling setup.

If it is momentum, you have no prayer.

[mod88s]

What do you mean Lf pulling set up?

[Dirtmod13]

Lifting LF off ground to transfer weight to the rear on exit

[RacerX10]

The more stop and go your track is, the better your chances of success with a lf pulling setup.

If it is momentum, you have no prayer.

Please correct me, but isn't that a soft RF setup rather than a "LF pulling" setup ? That car looks like what I see all the pro's doing, but I don't really have the resources to keep up with all that. That LF isn't pulling at all, it's just collapsed over on the RF. That RF tire is insane .. like it's not even attached to the car any more

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Please correct me, but isn't that a soft RF setup rather than a "LF pulling" setup ? That car looks like what I see all the pro's doing, but I don't really have the resources to keep up with all that. That LF isn't pulling at all, it's just collapsed over on the RF. That RF tire is insane .. like it's not even attached to the car any more

Your picture is a modern, soft rf setup.

I assumed you were asking about the merits of more of an old school deal where you are not down on the rf. If you are not, it will tend to lift the lf. That deal will not keep up with the picture on a track with fast corners due to aero and many other issues.

[RacerX10]

Your picture is a modern, soft rf setup.

I assumed you were asking about the merits of more of an old school deal where you are not down on the rf. If you are not, it will tend to lift the lf. That deal will not keep up with the picture on a track with fast corners due to aero and many other issues.

Yah I was talking about the photo I posted with soft RF. I'm just wondering if pretty much everybody is running that now, or just the people with a $3,500.00 spring crusher-squisher thing in their $200,000.00 trailer. Eg. can the weekly / casual guys can still have fun / be competitive without the soft right front and the incessant tweaking that I'm told goes along with it ?

I've been searching the archives here for info about the soft right front, and you see posts from a few guys who says "lots of people are winning races without a bump stop or stacked spring setup" .. but those posts are from 2/3/4 years ago so I'm wondering if that still holds true.

I think it's probably just a perspective thing. You have guys like (probably) yourself and say Matt49 who spend a LOT of time on racing, and then there are guys like me who have regular things to do and just race casually for fun .. and don't have the time or resources to mess with tweaking bump stop height to the nearest 16th of an inch.

[RacerX10]

your starting out racing in a super late model

Not starting out. "Returning to" after an extended hiatus

Changes the calculus a bit.

[lindsey97]

World of Outlaws Points: 1st
Starts: 18
Wins: 9
Top-Five's: 15
Top-10's: 18

I copied this straight from the Home Page on his website. Don't know when the last update was done. Hard to argue with the results.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Yah I was talking about the photo I posted with soft RF. I'm just wondering if pretty much everybody is running that now, or just the people with a $3,500.00 spring crusher-squisher thing in their $200,000.00 trailer. Eg. can the weekly / casual guys can still have fun / be competitive without the soft right front and the incessant tweaking that I'm told goes along with it ?

I've been searching the archives here for info about the soft right front, and you see posts from a few guys who says "lots of people are winning races without a bump stop or stacked spring setup" .. but those posts are from 2/3/4 years ago so I'm wondering if that still holds true.

I think it's probably just a perspective thing. You have guys like (probably) yourself and say Matt49 who spend a LOT of time on racing, and then there are guys like me who have regular things to do and just race casually for fun .. and don't have the time or resources to mess with tweaking bump stop height to the nearest 16th of an inch.

I honestly don't think it is as hard as you seem to think it is. You can get going on a deal that should be relatively consistent.

[RacerX10]

I honestly don't think it is as hard as you seem to think it is. You can get going on a deal that should be relatively consistent.

thanks for the encouraging words ...

All the resident experts here keep telling me its really hard to get a bump setup "just right" , and if its not right you will be running headfirst into a retaining wall . I just read a post on here that said literally that !

kinda got me spooked a bit

[AmickRacing]

Some of the tracks (ok most) that I run at are not bump stop friendly. A few times they are semi smooth, but usually they are fairly rough or "this is stupid why am I even out here" rough. While I hate running on tracks like that, it does seem to make it a bit more forgiving with the current "norm" of suspensions.

[Matt49]

The soft RF setup doesn't necessarily require a bump stop or a stack deal to make it work. There are cars running on a 250 RF spring (with no bump stop) winning races all over the country. Camber curves, aero consistency, and overall car attitude are the name of the game. We have a new car this year and trying a new nose. Our first trip out, we just couldn't keep the RF down where it needed to be and that is the ONLY thing we have been working on in the shop this week...getting the car setup so that the on-track attitude is what we want. SOME of it is springs but MOST of it is shocks in my opinion. We're on a new shock package this year also which is making things more difficult.
Anyway...a lot of it just takes time to test it and figure out what works. Just stay away from bump stops is the best advice I can give anyone that doesn't have the ability to do a lot of testing. And if you're on a track that is anything but smooth as glass you are completely wasting your time with bump stop setups. Just my opinion.

[grt74]

I honestly don't think it is as hard as you seem to think it is. You can get going on a deal that should be relatively consistent.

it takes alot of homework, not alot of money,hell for that matter you could cut up an old tire and use it for bump stops,and before anyone says anything YES I've seen it done,its all about homework today,along with testing,but if your smart about it and take the time,the results will come,the reason everything is so high for the most part(except for shocks but you can get them revalved,or do it yourself),is the i want it now attitude,everything but shocks can be done pretty reasonable,even an engine if you know what your doing,my biggest complaint today is all the dam tires

[a25rjr]

We ran very well in a Smack and BWRC using a 275 and a soft Christmas tree bump stop from RE.