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  • Doug_Guilds
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 170

    #1

    Lifter problems.

    I have a friend that has been having Hyd. lifter problems. Breaking them to be exact. He has been using stock replacements from the auto parts. The cam is supposed to be 530 lift Hyd. cam. I have never heard of one that big but if it is, could he be coil binding the spring causing the lifter probs? Or is it just cheap lifters and he needs to go with better lifters. Something like what esslinger offers or is there something better?
  • Milford Motorsports
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 285

    #2
    Stock lifters should not break,something is not right.Coil bind,retainer hitting valve guide boss,bad guides,valves hitting pistons,too much spring pressure,cam timing not correct,lash not set properly.Pull the valve cover,turn the engine over with a wrench.Closely watch what is happening with the cam and valves,the problem should be easy to see.

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    • Doug_Guilds
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 170

      #3
      The engine builder he uses doesn't do much 4 cylinder stuff so I am not sure he know what to look out for as far as our cams go. I think he may be to high on spring pressure. I will get the cover off tonight and see what I can find.

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      • Milford Motorsports
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 285

        #4
        I have seen a lot of heads lately with way too much spring.Some of the big name mail order companys seem to be pushing springs with too large of dia. wire,especially in the roller heads.Probably cheaper to stock one size spring and sell it for all apps.110 - 115 lbs. closed pressure is the common average.

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        • Doug_Guilds
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2008
          • 170

          #5
          I talked to the guy this morning, he replaced 4 damaged lifters and he said the rockers and cam are wore. The head is going to another engine builder Monday. I'll let him in on the 110-115 spring pressure info. Thanks for the help.

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          • Dan32
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 302

            #6
            Originally posted by Milford Motorsports View Post
            I have seen a lot of heads lately with way too much spring.Some of the big name mail order companys seem to be pushing springs with too large of dia. wire,especially in the roller heads.Probably cheaper to stock one size spring and sell it for all apps.110 - 115 lbs. closed pressure is the common average.
            we run 120 but thats close ! this guy has lots of problems if cam and followers are worn!! geometry is not right on cam!

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            • crcltrakr
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 293

              #7
              Valve train issues

              0.035"-0.045" Clearance with lifter collapsed, adjust valve stem length to center contact pattern on wear pad .
              JerryM

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              • Dan32
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 302

                #8
                Originally posted by crcltrakr View Post
                0.035"-0.045" Clearance with lifter collapsed, adjust valve stem length to center contact pattern on wear pad .
                better close it up tigher than that or you will through rocker off!!

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                • car62
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2007
                  • 1579

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dan32 View Post
                  better close it up tigher than that or you will through rocker off!!
                  i run .040 on all of our hydraulic cams...havent lost a follower yet and it has been over 10 years.
                  No matter how hard you try...you cant fix stupid!!!

                  If you build it right...it will turn left!!!

                  www.raceidaho.com

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                  • Doug_Guilds
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 170

                    #10
                    Everything I have ever read has been .040

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                    • faster12
                      Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 44

                      #11
                      We've been having the same problem lately. We had 6 bad lifters last week while having a fuel pump issues which cut the rpms down to 7500 from the normal 8000. The engine builder is gonna stop by and look the head over were suspecting it's the lash is improperly set. Hopefully we can get this worked out soon.

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                      • Dan32
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 302

                        #12
                        Originally posted by car62 View Post
                        i run .040 on all of our hydraulic cams...havent lost a follower yet and it has been over 10 years.
                        you turn 7500 we turn 9200 theres a slight diffrence!! gotta turn that down here to win!! 7500 is a grocery getter around here (: !!!! lol

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                        • Dan32
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 302

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Doug_Guilds View Post
                          Everything I have ever read has been .040
                          thats what they say but you cant turn the rpms want hold up!!

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                          • Dan32
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 302

                            #14
                            i can only tell you all how to fix it cant make you 10 thousants with no oil in lifter and she will fly!!!

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                            • faster12
                              Member
                              • May 2007
                              • 44

                              #15
                              I run down here with you Dan.

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