IMCA Open motor guys. Question about this years performance.

[Dirtracer50]

Are all the guys running and winning with the crate motors running methanol? I've only raced against one crate engine all season and I'm pretty sure he was running pump gas. To me running methanol in these engines is a lil counterproductive to the intent of allowing the crates. From what I've been told these engines won't last near as long on methanol as they do on gas that's why some guys are selling them after 10 to 15 nights. How much money is someone really saving buying a new crate every 15 nights? I would think thru the course of a season one or two open motors may end up being cheaper. I'm on the west coast so I'm not as in the know as some of you in the Midwest is why I'm asking. I am seriously considering a crate for next season by the way.

[Modlitefan0]

Little tidbits from this week as well as where our race team will be headed. 1st- A crew member from a friend driver here in central IA told us that they have bought 3 different crates this year. Keep in mind they have an open car and a crate car. Was told they were getting about 10 nights out of them. 2nd- On Wednesday night in the tech tent, we were first nonqualifier so we had to sit and wait just incase someone got DQed. Anywho, the one crate that made the show was teched by the dealer in which he bought his crate from while the IMCA official stood back. To me this throws up a red flag when coupled with some of the other information I heard over the course of the week. 3rd- If I heard correctly 5 of the 33 were crates but do not quote me on this as I forgot to look at the cars in staging before hand to confirm this. 4th- This part is not really anything important or answering any questions but more of a general opinion. The guy who won had a crate in. He ran 3rd most of the race until about lap 38 or so when the leader hit a hole messed up and collected the 2nd place car. Crate took the lead for a green white checkered and if there were 2 more laps he would have gotten beat. I wont take anything away from the driver as he kept himself in a position to win and luck just so happened to be apart of it. In the end, I believe 2 crates were in the top 5 or 6. Jesse seemed to be going backwards but I was not paying much attention. I know at one point he was collected in a wreck and was toed out at the end of the race but he wasnt able to drive through the field before that happened. If the rules dont change for next year, we will be forced to buy a crate if we have any intentions of being competitive again. We went from winning 7 of 11 races last year and 3 consecutive track championships at one track to back of the pack every week because of the crate.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

[powerslide]

Heres a story a little birdie told me. These guys are selling them after 15 nights because nitro isn't easy on the internals of those motors.

surely w/ all the tech at boone this didnt slip by...

[gunslinger11c]

That's what I want to see how did the crates do at Boone. I am just waiting to see if I want to build a new open motor or just buy a crate motor. Does anyone have the results from Boone broke down with how the crate motors did?

[Modlitefan0]

Did you not see my post above Gunslinger? 5 of 33 were crates in big dance according to first reports. Wait until November before you do anything as IMCA has said there may be some rule changes coming.

[charcoal01]

Pathetic? You're sobbings lapdog, of course you're going to come to his defense. I never said he specifically is, I however know of two drivers personally who are doing just that. Did they pull fuel samples at boone? How do you know nobody was? I can even tell you the exact dyno numbers a crate makes on methanol and nitro. People are doing it, please don't try to pretend they're not.

[drive3b]

Weight break for the crates?!? Are you serious? You already have alum heads (which takes a big chunk of weight off the front of the car), roller cam, a 3" spoiler, a change in tire compound, and you get to run fuel (alky) that these engines were not designed to be run on. The crates did a LOT of winning, especially in big races. If you were to compare the number of crate engines to open engines percentage wise they definitely don't need any more of an advantage. Just curious, how many races have you run in IMCA modified now that you switched from stock car?

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you're sobbings lapdog

.......lol

[powerslide]

I can even tell you the exact dyno numbers a crate makes on methanol and nitro.

I'm interested, if you dont want to put it out in public you can PM it to me. They started running IMCA at one of the local tracks this year. Pay is higher than at any of the usra/outlaw tracks around here.

[mod11h]

Having watched the Supernational sat. nite at boone. I did see that not all created equal. Some crates were fast and others were. Smith did win but he was not fast compared the two cars in front until lap 38. In the right place at the right time hats off to him for that. Boones not a good track for the crates. Crates do have a place but not a fan of imca. Taked to one guy from Wisc and he just put a new harris together with a crate everything was not notch for a cheap $31000.00 and he plans on racing it this winter down south with the crate. imo lets go back to the $ 500 claim and have some good old fashion fights in the pits after the races like the old days.

[charcoal01]

10 nights. why? Does that matter? charcoal probably hasn't ever turned a lap and for sure half the other experts on here haven't either.

How about 14 feature event wins at three different tracks sound for back up? I know for a fact I've won more modified main events than you and I sit second in track points currently. Not only that, I'm 100 positive my knowledge of these cars is superior to yours. So please don't start picking fights and calling names about someone you know nothing about.

People are cheating the crates, they are not being teched like other motors, end of story.

[C10]

Not only have I checked fuel, but have also pumped crates, checked valve springs and passed a camera down through them. Not all tech is created equal. Just because it has seal bolts doesnt mean squat to me, it gets checked no matter what.

[modracr41]

Not only have I checked fuel, but have also pumped crates, checked valve springs and passed a camera down through them. Not all tech is created equal. Just because it has seal bolts doesnt mean squat to me, it gets checked no matter what.

Now THIS is a good tech man. They are worth their weight in gold. The problem is that there aren't too many of them. Most want to hurry up and get home. They don't care that they are hurting the class or that they aren't doing the job that they were hired to do. A real tech man's job starts AFTER the feature and stops when the last car has been THOROUGHLY checked.

[MM90]

Anybody know of who made the main at Nationals that ran a Crate weekly then ran an open engine for Nationals? Gustin is the only one that I know of, but he ran his open car at Boone weekly and his crate car everywhere else. He rolled his primary car and qualified in his back up, I didn't see if it was a crate or open.