Is the crate killing imca mods

[sirleafalot]

I wont speak for Rusty, not my beef and I do not have the dyno sheets for the $4500 motor. Brian is not hiding info the motor deal though. I do not own the crate killer package. I have a different setup, so I cant post what I dont own. best of luck. I will say that I think a good engine can be built for less than the crate, as I have done and ran all last year without engine issues. Crate is not the only answer.

[RaceTechKs]

Well, let me tell you a little story. We are starting to see exactly what some of us has said would happen with these crates.. and that's, FAILURE. I personally know of 5 604 crates that were used at two tracks that did not have more then 10 races on any of the 5 and they either blew up, broke or started pumping water. All of which came from Freison Chevrolet [sp] and every one of them was the racers fault....... Now my question is how in the hell is a blown head gasket the racers fault and the head surface only had .003 warp. AND then they want $4200.00 to fix it..... Are you freaking kidding me. And don't let SCD blow smoke up your back side. He wants to talk about good parts. I can promise you the Crates do not good parts in them........IF you think they do just turn them 7000 rpm for a short time on the track and you will see there junk. There is no way to compare a built engine to a crate engine as far as parts go..... And take your crate back and have it torn apart like you should and see what that cost you. And yes you can build a open for what you will have in a crate, and you can do the same thing with your open as they do with there crates and that's sell it every year and get a new one..... Stupid, LMAO. Compare Apples to Apples.... Don't listen to SCD because he will tell you Crates are the only way to go, IMCA is the only way to go......But I bet if he was to race on heavy hammer down tracks and not the slicked off dusty crap IMCA has asked for he would not be running crates.....What a joke..

[buzzxxx666]

fyi- the rules have been out since Friday, no spoiler on crate.

lets see how crates do with no spoiler. Last machinist I talked to said crate parts when torn down are far from good.
So if the crate cost you $5500, I feel confident that with a little effort and good investigation you can still build a decent program for the same money without going crate.

Have also heard several racers saying that for the right kind of bread you can get "upgrades " to your crate when its in for rebuild.

this deal is going to boomerang soon enough.

[buzzxxx666]

What sanction are you talking about? This thread is supposed to be about imca and imca doesn't allow rebuilds.

imca does not allow rebuilds....then what exactly does Speedway offer for IMCA engines...

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Featured/Racing-Engines

Besides you can buy sealing bolts, and do it yourself, no matter what IMCA rules and its happening...

[RaceTechKs]

SCD, I don't care where you race or what you race. I have never claimed to know you (only to know of you) and have only seen you race once. I don't care where you live or what you do for a living. The only thing I do care about is all the BS you spread on here. I can tell you there are a lot of people on here that are tired of you thinking YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON THAT KNOWS ANYTHING. There area few on here that are pretty sharp and give help when needed, and not jump in an and tell them what they were just told was wrong and then put your two cents in. YOU ARE NOT the know it all you think you are. And the reason IMCA don't allow rebuilds is it costs them money because Sponsors that don't sell engines don't sponsor your series for very long. And why are people paying to break in engines, Guys buying crates can't do it them selves. Hell theres enough information on the web about crates that everyone knows what makes the most power as far as bolt-ons go, so get them, bolt them on and break it in. OH that's right the crates have a cam issue when breaking them in don't they, So then check your plugs tune it and go. OH and as far as Tampered Crates, I personally caught 2 this year and know of three more that were caught. And no we did not make it public and don't have to, just like IMCA kept the Illegal MSD boxes (3) they caught quiet that I know of. And yes the guys caught were dealt with as per the rules on the engines. So keep thinking its not happening....know it all. It may not be happening where you are, but that's only because there not looking for it and not teching like they should. OK..Your Turn and I can do this all day.

[50j]

SCD, well done with the built engine. For someone wanting the same hp and tq curve as the 604 but a little more power that looks great.

[CHRISTINE]

Crate

This is why mine are boke in on dyno

(4. People pay to have crate engines broken in because if it breaks on the dyno its still the dealers.)


This whole cheated crate stuff is getting old people cheat with open motors to lol. There might be cheated ones out there but just because a guy is fast with a crate doesnt mean its cheated.

Since the crates lost the spoiler whats gona be everyones excuse next? ive ran with no spoiler and just had to tighten my car up a lil on entry no biggie.

[buzzxxx666]

This is why mine are boke in on dyno

(4. People pay to have crate engines broken in because if it breaks on the dyno its still the dealers.)


This whole cheated crate stuff is getting old people cheat with open motors to lol. There might be cheated ones out there but just because a guy is fast with a crate doesnt mean its cheated.

Since the crates lost the spoiler whats gona be everyones excuse next? ive ran with no spoiler and just had to tighten my car up a lil on entry no biggie.

i am tired of pro crate crowd constantly crowing about how awesome they are, if so then zero rule breaks should be given oh and the promoters need to quick catering to the crates with the dry tracks.
Also just because it says CRATE, does not mean you get a free pass on tech either.
Other than that I dont care what the hell people do with crates. Crates are not the world saver as we keep hearing, are they an option sure. The constant political BS to push crates are just that. You want to run a crate super but no reason everyone else should be forced into it.

[rustymod]

i am tired of pro crate crowd constantly crowing about how awesome they are, if so then zero rule breaks should be given oh and the promoters need to quick catering to the crates with the dry tracks.
Also just because it says CRATE, does not mean you get a free pass on tech either.
Other than that I dont care what the hell people do with crates. Crates are not the world saver as we keep hearing, are they an option sure. The constant political BS to push crates are just that. You want to run a crate super but no reason everyone else should be forced into it.

One more thing. I know of a racer that runs in MN in the sport mod class against the 602 crate...twice this year there were issues with crate engines somehow turning 7200-7500 without a miss in the engine...racer blamed it on the MSd box, and promoter let em switch it out.....

602 has hyd cam, but hey no ones cheating up those crate right ????? dont believe it for once sec

[RaceTechKs]

Wait a second, I know for a fact that IMCA will allow the crates to be repaired. And I also know that IMCA does not have an official standing there when these engines are repaired. DO THEY Know it all..... I know for a fact of a 604 that was sent to Carl's Chevrolet and had to have two pistons replaced that only had 4 races on it, It also had to have the valves in those two cylinders replaced. It had to be completely taken apart, cleaned and reassembled. The engine was completely together when it was resealed with the IMCA cable seals...... NOT ONE TIME when this was done did an IMCA official check a single thing being done to this engine........... That's what one of the guys in the shop told the guy that owns the engine, He Said that with Carl's being a dealer and repair center approved by IMCA they hardly ever see anyone from IMCA..... So Smart guy whats really being done to those engines if its my buddy having something done..........I KNOW..... YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE.....But your going to tell everyone you do. Blow your smoke up someone else's back side and fog there vision with your BS but your not going to convince me with your BS....

[buzzxxx666]

Wait a second, I know for a fact that IMCA will allow the crates to be repaired. And I also know that IMCA does not have an official standing there when these engines are repaired. DO THEY Know it all..... I know for a fact of a 604 that was sent to Carl's Chevrolet and had to have two pistons replaced that only had 4 races on it, It also had to have the valves in those two cylinders replaced. It had to be completely taken apart, cleaned and reassembled. The engine was completely together when it was resealed with the IMCA cable seals...... NOT ONE TIME when this was done did an IMCA official check a single thing being done to this engine........... That's what one of the guys in the shop told the guy that owns the engine, He Said that with Carl's being a dealer and repair center approved by IMCA they hardly ever see anyone from IMCA..... So Smart guy whats really being done to those engines if its my buddy having something done..........I KNOW..... YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE.....But your going to tell everyone you do. Blow your smoke up someone else's back side and fog there vision with your BS but your not going to convince me with your BS....

thanks for jumping in RaceTech, I agree with your comments and have heard others complain. The Speedway site claims they can repair crates also.....and re-seal with approved seals. But as has been shown on here you can buy sealing bolts and do whatever you want.

[leadfoot_35]

I used to be against the crate engine because I used to build my own. I took 2015 off from racing but was still at the track every week with friends. Drove for a friend who had a crate and it was my first experience. Ended up winning the heat race and feature leading every lap in both. That was the 4th night out on the car ad my first time in a car all year. I will say I had to take back everything I ever said about the crate. The crate is pretty easy to drive. I would still prefer to build my own engines but in my class if you have the open motors you have to run a 2 barrel carb and weigh 200 lbs more. They are forcing our hands in getting the crates. I will be getting a crate.

[passingtime]

IMCA Interntional "MOTOR" Contest Association

Every one should get to have the same body and weight rules. Period!!!!!After all it is a motor contest!!!!

[raceking26]

Passing time, what are you talking about??? In imca the body rules and weight rules ARE the same between crate and open! In the sportmod and a mod class....

[Racer111]

Crates are good for the sport I hear racers I want to build my own engine few garage builders can compete against a professional engine builder. Some say easy to cheat a crate .Its a lot easier to tech it then a open engine rules .No matter what the rules are some racers will try to cheat. Crate add ons cost more not true you can buy 2k set of headers for open or crate..same with carbs...If you believe all the hype about crates cost 10-20k BS your a fool..I have spent more money fixing a open engine then a crate cost. With a crates there no more wondering what does he have a 415 a 380 turning 9k rpm ???? Its the same story as always work on your chassis learn how to drive and you will win...Ive seen a lot of racers get out because of engine cost crate prob will save a few more from getting out..