NASCAR Fuel Mileage races....... is that really racing?

[mudslinger47]

LOLOL!! Huh? Over time you have been gradually gravitating toward sounding just like litey and this one looks like litey wrote it!

Smokey Yunick forgot 3 times more about all forms of racing than you ever thought you knew. His assessment actually makes good sense. Yours? Not so much.

And, the irony of some tunnel visioned pee wee jr. sycophant passing judgement on a race car genre' whose races they've never attended or know anything about is palpable. Ironic or just plain dumb? It's safe to go with the latter.

Just for the record, Silver Crown racing has never "sucked 'hind tit".

Golly, you got a real problem with anyone that doesn't conform to your thinking.... what the heck is wrong with you? You shooting for jerk of the year award?

[old fan]

LOLOL!! Huh? Over time you have been gradually gravitating toward sounding just like litey and this one looks like litey wrote it!Smokey Yunick forgot 3 times more about all forms of racing than you ever thought you knew. His assessment actually makes good sense. Yours? Not so much.And, the irony of some tunnel visioned pee wee jr. sycophant passing judgement on a race car genre' whose races they've never attended or know anything about is palpable. Ironic or just plain dumb? It's safe to go with the latter.Just for the record, Silver Crown racing has never "sucked 'hind tit".

ole smokey would not even recognize the race cars we have today except the dinosaurs they call champ cars sorry cirf just stating the facts

[old fan]

but smokey and scott bloomquist would be great friends they both like to cheat

[t.nie]

I just suggested having a rule that said the car must remain in gear and the engine running. There would still be fuel mileage involved in the form of gearing, RPMs, etc to try and achieve the fastest time over the race distance.

I just think its kind of dumb watching two guys "racing" with one guy out front doing everything possible to shut the engine off and coast while they guy behind tries to chase him down, maybe even doing some coasting and engine shut down stuff too, and they call that "racing" to the checked flag. That isn't racing, that is a fuel conservation contest.

It reminds of me an old Brady Bunch episode, or maybe it was on Leave it to Beaver, where two teams of high school kids get a gallon of gas for their car and whomever goes the furthest on that gallon wins. (Yeah, I know, showing my age there). But the show showed these two teams "competing" and it was like watching paint dry, seeing who could go the slowest and save that gas the longest.

It's something, but to me, that isn't really racing.

[Nasty55]

Viable alternative? Fuel cell would have to be 100 gallons in a cup car weasel breath.... LOL

WoW you once again never cease to amaze me with your ability to be the instigator in name calling! But yet you claim to know Oooooooooooh so much about racing past and present........ Yeah right you Betcha! If you like fuel mileage racing that they are playing in nascar today and all of these last second debris cautions and sh1t thats fine but dont bring your holier than thou self up on here thinking that you know so much about the world of champ dirt cars and real racing because you dont know diddly sh1t dude! CIRF keep on bringing your knowledge of the openwheel world and dont worry about ol cumslinger i mean mudslinger..... Hey mud are you huckytsons twin or something? because you sure act alot like him!

[Nasty55]

I just suggested having a rule that said the car must remain in gear and the engine running. There would still be fuel mileage involved in the form of gearing, RPMs, etc to try and achieve the fastest time over the race distance.

I just think its kind of dumb watching two guys "racing" with one guy out front doing everything possible to shut the engine off and coast while they guy behind tries to chase him down, maybe even doing some coasting and engine shut down stuff too, and they call that "racing" to the checked flag. That isn't racing, that is a fuel conservation contest.

It reminds of me an old Brady Bunch episode, or maybe it was on Leave it to Beaver, where two teams of high school kids get a gallon of gas for their car and whomever goes the furthest on that gallon wins. (Yeah, I know, showing my age there). But the show showed these two teams "competing" and it was like watching paint dry, seeing who could go the slowest and save that gas the longest.

It's something, but to me, that isn't really racing.

Exactly!! Thats not Racing at all thats just guys out for a sunday drive is all and a boring one at that lol..

[mudslinger47]

WoW you once again never cease to amaze me with your ability to be the instigator in name calling! But yet you claim to know Oooooooooooh so much about racing past and present........ Yeah right you Betcha! If you like fuel mileage racing that they are playing in nascar today and all of these last second debris cautions and sh1t thats fine but dont bring your holier than thou self up on here thinking that you know so much about the world of champ dirt cars and real racing because you dont know diddly sh1t dude! CIRF keep on bringing your knowledge of the openwheel world and dont worry about ol cumslinger i mean mudslinger..... Hey mud are you huckytsons twin or something? because you sure act alot like him!

No, as a matter of fact I don't like it, but it is part of the strategy of the sport.... you want a rule that they have to leave there car in gear and can't shut the motor off and what ever else.... seriously? I would like you to point out where I said I know anything about Champ cars racing not sure I even know what a champ car is..., I specifically stated that I had never been to a silver crown race... pretty clear to me ... ya know, I can tell you are a Democrat, you speak so much of things you know nothing about....

[CIRF]

I would like you to point out where I said I know anything about Champ cars racing not sure I even know what a champ car is..., I specifically stated that I had never been to a silver crown race... pretty clear to me

The only thing clear in what you say is that you suffer from acute tunnel vision. In case you're wondering, the term tunnel vision is a polite euphemism for stupid. Let me enlighten you so as to open up a whole genre' of race cars that you have made the unfortunate mistake of purposely overlooking.

USAC Silver Crown cars are conventional front engine rear wheel driven open wheel racecars.

They must have wheelbase of a minimum of 96".
They must weigh 1650 lbs. with driver.
They are open co ckpit cars.
They cannot have engine displacement of more than 360 cubic inches or less than 350 cubic inches.
Engines are mandated to be iron blocks but can run aluminum heads. The engine blocks must be of auto manufacturers specifications but aftermarket engine blocks can be used but have to meet manufacturers specifications. Most are Chevrolet but there are some Ford, Chrysler and even Toyota's.
The engines typically produce around 750 to 775 horsepower.
They run on methanol fuel.
They are mechanically fuel injected.
They have no onboard starters but must have a clutching system which is hand operated.
They utilize an external battery powered starting system that has a driveshaft that enters from the front of the car and engages the engine from there.
They have fuel capacity of between 52 and 75 gallons.
They run on tracks varying in length of 1/2 mile to 1 mile.
All races are 100 laps with no scheduled pit stops.

USAC Silver Crown cars are some of the most beautiful racecars ever built. They are a thing of exquisite beauty on the mile dirt tracks. The driver has to adapt to changing track conditions and tire wear for 100 miles at wicked fast 1 mile dirt tracks like Springfield, Du Quoin and the Indiana State Fairgrounds in Indianapolis.

We just got home from Du Quoin where we watched one of the best races involving any type race car we've seen all year. The Ted Horn Memorial 100 USAC Silver Crown race was as good as it gets. No pit strategy or pit crews to win or lose a race, no tire changes and no fuel mileage races. Just the driver and the car for 100 miles to see who's fastest.

Now that's what Smokey was talkin' about!! That's real racin'!!

[mudslinger47]

The only thing clear in what you say is that you suffer from acute tunnel vision. In case you're wondering, the term tunnel vision is a polite euphemism for stupid. Let me enlighten you so as to open up a whole genre' of race cars that you have made the unfortunate mistake of purposely overlooking.

USAC Silver Crown cars are conventional front engine rear wheel driven open wheel racecars.

They must have wheelbase of a minimum of 96".
They must weigh 1650 lbs. with driver.
They are open co ckpit cars.
They cannot have engine displacement of more than 360 cubic inches or less than 350 cubic inches.
Engines are mandated to be iron blocks but can run aluminum heads. The engine blocks must be of auto manufacturers specifications but aftermarket engine blocks can be used but have to meet manufacturers specifications. Most are Chevrolet but there are some Ford, Chrysler and even Toyota's.
The engines typically produce around 750 to 775 horsepower.
They run on methanol fuel.
They are mechanically fuel injected.
They have no onboard starters but must have a clutching system which is hand operated.
They utilize an external battery powered starting system that has a driveshaft that enters from the front of the car and engages the engine from there.
They have fuel capacity of between 52 and 75 gallons.
They run on tracks varying in length of 1/2 mile to 1 mile.
All races are 100 laps with no scheduled pit stops.

USAC Silver Crown cars are some of the most beautiful racecars ever built. They are a thing of exquisite beauty on the mile dirt tracks. The driver has to adapt to changing track conditions and tire wear for 100 miles at wicked fast 1 mile dirt tracks like Springfield, Du Quoin and the Indiana State Fairgrounds in Indianapolis.

We just got home from Du Quoin where we watched one of the best races involving any type race car we've seen all year. The Ted Horn Memorial 100 USAC Silver Crown race was as good as it gets. No pit strategy or pit crews to win or lose a race, no tire changes and no fuel mileage races. Just the driver and the car for 100 miles to see who's fastest.

Now that's what Smokey was talkin' about!! That's real racin'!!

And your point? I'm sure it was a good race, as a matter of fact I saw an IMCA mod race this weekend that was one of the best I had ever seen... so what? You don't have to like them, I don't even care, which brings me to the question why you care if I like cars you like? I don't think I ever said you couldn't like them... its fine by me...

[Just The Tip]

Since we are talking about rule changes we would like to see in NASCAR cup racing, I have a couple I would like to see adapted.

1. Cars can pit under green flag conditions only. How about that for strategy. Plus it's just safer for the guys pitting the car.

2. Shorten the races by 30%. Some of these mid race runs are just down right boring. Add to the shorter race only pitting under green, I think the race takes on a new and exciting twist.

I haven't watched NASCAR cup races with any great interest in quite some time. My grandpa and I used to watch them every Sunday when I was a young kid. It helped me learn numbers, so he says. The truck racing is generally good from what I've seen, however.

Just my 2 cents...worth what you payed for it.

[CIRF]

And your point? I'm sure it was a good race, as a matter of fact I saw an IMCA mod race this weekend that was one of the best I had ever seen... so what? You don't have to like them, I don't even care, which brings me to the question why you care if I like cars you like? I don't think I ever said you couldn't like them... its fine by me...

My point? You said you're not even sure you know what a USAC Silver Crown car is. I believe that is at least partially due to the tunnel vision (remember, that's a euphemism for another more rude word LOL!!) you suffer from. I felt compelled to explain it so you won't be embarrassed by you're narrow mindedness and gross lack of diversity within your racing horizons.

Oh, and one other thing, modified's should NEVER be mentioned in the same post as the USAC Silver Crown cars!

Here is a picture of the Ted Horn Memorial 100 winning car driven by Chris Windom at Du Quoin, Illinois Saturday night. This pic and the information above should get your tunnel visioned (remember, it's a euphemism!) ass up to speed!! LOL!!

Beautiful, just beautiful!

[old fan]

why not CIRF the mods are race cars also you don't care for so be it and talk about tunnel vision good grief that race of what I saw was a good race but I 've seen mod races that were better and by looking at results I can see why you have a distaste for mod which is a shame but the better mods were at fairbury and the point leader @I55

[CIRF]

No distaste for mods, whatsoever. I watch them and enjoy them all the time. The guys that own and drive them are the grass roots foundation of all of racing and they are to be commended for their hard work, determination and fortitude. We enjoyed watching them at Du Quoin over the weekend and ol' Schrader cleaned their clocks yet again.

It's just that the two classes are so diametrically different and can't be compared in any way shape or form except that they both race on dirt tracks and are both powered by V8 gasoline engines.

[old fan]

and both running about the same horsepower some mods probably more

[mudslinger47]

WoW you once again never cease to amaze me with your ability to be the instigator in name calling! But yet you claim to know Oooooooooooh so much about racing past and present........ Yeah right you Betcha! If you like fuel mileage racing that they are playing in nascar today and all of these last second debris cautions and sh1t thats fine but dont bring your holier than thou self up on here thinking that you know so much about the world of champ dirt cars and real racing because you dont know diddly sh1t dude! CIRF keep on bringing your knowledge of the openwheel world and dont worry about ol cumslinger i mean mudslinger..... Hey mud are you huckytsons twin or something? because you sure act alot like him!

He can bring all the knowledge of open wheel he wants, fine by me, doesn't make me like them any more... Nasty, maybe you aught to learn to read a little, I have stated repeatedly that I'm not a fan of fuel mileage races, but I dislike even more rules... its bad enough already... and you dumb azz, I told you I didn't even know for sure what a champ car was... so do me this favor, take your left hand and put it on your right ear, and your right hand on your left ear and twist slowly, when your head moves freely , pull it out of your azz and be careful because it has obviously been there a long time....