New Nascar points

[kidrock]

GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK !!! I'm sure this latest last ditch effort will have fans beating down the gates to come in ! This will bring in so many people that they will have to bring back all of the bleachers that were hauled away.

Who really cares, I mean honestly do you care? Can you blame them for trying something and I agree this is not going to work. Their time as come and gone and it's going to take a lot more then this to get the fans back and I don't see that ever happening.

[superstock50]

This is exactly why I have given up on Nascrap!(and Tony Stewart switching to Furd) There is very little brand loyalty outside of RCR, Roush, and Hendricks. I have been a lifelong Nascrap fan until this year, it has become more like WWE or WWF, whatever they want to call it.I think if more of you guys would give Indycar a chance, you guys would become bigger fans. The racing has been better in the last couple of years.

[formercrewguy]

As long as JJ gets #8, I don't care WHAT they do!

[CIRF]

Watch the racing...screw the points, they don't affect you one way or the other...Whether they have this point system or the one from five years ago or 15 years ago, it changes nothing....

Too late to watch the racing. That boring gimmick filled train left many years ago. LOL!!

Did you know the number of points each driver of your go kart races a couple weeks ago? Nope, you didn't, cause you didn't care cause all you wanted was a good batch of racing.... in essence, you can take your holier then thou garbage down the pike cause its just so much hot air...

The Chili Bowl is an unsanctioned event, thus there are no points involved. It's extremely high quality racing that culminates with an A-main championship finally. Real racing with one objective, and that's to win the Saturday night A-main.

Just for the record the mud cab guy they call superman that wins a whole lot in the cabs wasn't very impressive driving a real race car, now was he? In fact, he got beat BY A GIRL! LOLOL!! Them there "go carts" prove to be somewhat tougher to win in than the mud cabs, don't ya think? LOL!


Did it ever quit raining in Arizona? LOLOL!!

[mudslinger47]

Too late to watch the racing. That boring gimmick filled train left many years ago. LOL!!The Chili Bowl is an unsanctioned event, thus there are no points involved. It's extremely high quality racing that culminates with an A-main championship finally. Real racing with one objective, and that's to win the Saturday night A-main.

Just for the record the mud cab guy they call superman that wins a whole lot in the cabs wasn't very impressive driving a real race car, now was he? In fact, he got beat BY A GIRL! LOLOL!! Them there "go carts" prove to be somewhat tougher to win in than the mud cabs, don't ya think? LOL!


Did it ever quit raining in Arizona? LOLOL!!

Explain to me CIRF how the points affect the viewer.... Or can anyone else explain to me how the points affect the racing for the viewer?

[kidrock]

Explain to me CIRF how the points affect the viewer.... Or can anyone else explain to me how the points affect the racing for the viewer?

I for one have nevered watched a race for points and my brother and I have never raced and cared about points s, for me I could care less.

[CIRF]

Explain to me CIRF how the points affect the viewer.... Or can anyone else explain to me how the points affect the racing for the viewer?

For the casual, or semi-casual viewer the points are in most cases, immaterial. No question about that. Back when I was deeply immersed in the NASCAR culture (pre 21st century) the points standings were of significant importance. Especially after Memorial Day. This went for literally everyone I knew who took any interest in NASCAR Cup racing at that time.

Since the conclusion of the 2003 Cup season the top to bottom points standings have been meaningless throughout the summer portion of the season. The only interest anyone has in points these days is who is on the bubble. In other words who has the potential to be part of the gimmick and who doesn't or who's in striking distance of the gimmick.

Whether or not this was the ultimate goal of the gimmick-makers in Daytona is a mystery to me. Either way they succeeded.

I will happily grant you that the points standings since "03 have had little or no affect on the weekly racing to most, if not all Cup fans. At least the few that remain.

[Krooser]

I vote for a trophy dash and an Australian Pursuit race...

[Raceready]

The whole idea is to create more crashes. They know that there are a high percentage of fans that love the plate tracks because they want to see the big crashes. Now with this format there will be plenty of torn up cars for them to get their fill of it.

[kidrock]

I guess some of will sit back and watch the big crashes while others just come on here and complain about it lol

[mudslinger47]

For the casual, or semi-casual viewer the points are in most cases, immaterial. No question about that. Back when I was deeply immersed in the NASCAR culture (pre 21st century) the points standings were of significant importance. Especially after Memorial Day. This went for literally everyone I knew who took any interest in NASCAR Cup racing at that time.

Since the conclusion of the 2003 Cup season the top to bottom points standings have been meaningless throughout the summer portion of the season. The only interest anyone has in points these days is who is on the bubble. In other words who has the potential to be part of the gimmick and who doesn't or who's in striking distance of the gimmick.

Whether or not this was the ultimate goal of the gimmick-makers in Daytona is a mystery to me. Either way they succeeded.

I will happily grant you that the points standings since "03 have had little or no affect on the weekly racing to most, if not all Cup fans. At least the few that remain.

So, you sat there with your little yellow pad and kept track of the points each and every race... I'm sorry, but I do not believe you.... I've been watching NASCAR from day one of their TV coverage, never gave a single thought to points until about the last ten races, then numbers weren't what was looked at, it was people.... The only point guys I watched and that was rarely, was the ones stroking because the points race was locked up in July.... Hence the reason I liked the chase... gotta race to the end... And even at that, I never kept track of numbers...ever.... I don't even recall watching them very much when I was racing... I finished second in points one year and was freakin surprised... didn't know we were close...

[CIRF]

So, you sat there with your little yellow pad and kept track of the points each and every race... I'm sorry, but I do not believe you....

Don't care what you believe and I know you're sorry. You are, in fact, a sorry excuse for a race fan!! LOLOL!!

#1. The championship has never been mathematically decided in July. NEVER!! Rarely was the championship decided in September and seldom in October. Often it went down to the final race. It is foolhardy to attempt to rationalize and justify gimmickry with that type of bogus rationalization being the impetus.

#2. After every race back in the days when the championship was a full season exercise in consistency and a reflection of season long accomplishments the network that broadcast the races would show the point standings following each and every race. Later in the season they would show point standings at several different stages of the race and following the race. Most of us who followed Cup racing at that time would anxiously await the point standings following the completion of the race.

[mudslinger47]

Don't care what you believe and I know you're sorry. You are, in fact, a sorry excuse for a race fan!! LOLOL!!

#1. The championship has never been mathematically decided in July. NEVER!! Rarely was the championship decided in September and seldom in October. Often it went down to the final race. It is foolhardy to attempt to rationalize and justify gimmickry with that type of bogus rationalization being the impetus.

#2. After every race back in the days when the championship was a full season exercise in consistency and a reflection of season long accomplishments the network that broadcast the races would show the point standings following each and every race. Later in the season they would show point standings at several different stages of the race and following the race. Most of us who followed Cup racing at that time would anxiously await the point standings following the completion of the race.

Oh whoopy, you can still copy and paste.... ya got nothing, including that little known skill of comprehension....

[CIRF]

Oh whoopy, you can still copy and paste.... ya got nothing, including that little known skill of comprehension....

Muddy ol' buddy, what is it that you believe I copied and paste? (This oughta' be good!!LOL!!)

[CIRF]

Hey Bullslinger47, Robin Miller Is Speaking Directly To YOU!! LOL!

Read it and weep muddy ol' buddy!!!

This piece explains things better than anything I've ever heard or read and it's authored by someone who was a driver in his day and has been a highly respected motor sports journalist for decades.

Besides that, this piece will piss muddy off beyond belief and ya' just gotta' love that! LOL!

Don't be mad at me!! I'm just the messenger! Don't pout at me and stick out your quivering lower lip! Be mad at Robin Miller and take it up with him!! LOLOLOL!!!







ROBIN MILLER: NASCAR's changes are great - for IndyCar
Wednesday, 25 January 2017
Robin Miller

What NASCAR announced on Monday could be seen as desperate, confusing, hilarious or totally necessary to try and keep people engaged for its weekly marathons of pit stops, speeding penalties and commercials

Don't forget it was Dale Earnhardt who once said, "watch the first 10 laps, mow your yard, take a nap and then watch the last 10 laps", and that was followed a few years later by his son saying: "we need to cut a couple of hours out of these races."

By breaking up races up into three parts and rewarding "segment" winners, NASCAR has embraced the "everyone deserves a trophy" mentality and the added comic relief of a "regular season champion" versus the "NASCAR champion", which surely has David Pearson, Bobby Allison and Cale Yarborough in stitches.

It's B-O-R-I-N-G.

Now, whether these radical changes move the needle remain to be seen, but there is one potential winner in stock car racing's latest reincarnation. That would be the Verizon IndyCar series.

Because, besides any 30-lap sprint car, midget or super modified race or AMA flat-trackers on The Mile, there is no purer form of motorsports still standing. Other than Indianapolis and Pocono, most of the races take 90-120 minutes, and they're flat-stick exercises in balls, brains and finesse. The term "just riding around," uttered repeatedly by stock car drivers, doesn't exist in the IndyCar vernacular.

There's no Lucky Dog or caution clock or green-white-checker to try and manufacturer some drama.
And there's no NASCAR yellow to make sure the championship-deciding race has a close finish.

OK, there is push-to-pass on the IndyCar road/street shows, but it's just extra power that each driver has to manage smartly so he's got some at the end of the race and it helps overtaking on a narrow city circuit.
But there's no debating that IndyCar oozes compelling competition.

You can't get anything more frenetic and fierce than last year's Texas finish (pictured), or anything racier on a road course than Barber was in 2016, or anything more stunning than Alexander Rossi's victory at Indianapolis.

IndyCar doesn't need gimmicks to have a great battle for the championship. All that does is cheapen the product.

Keeping double points at Indy isn't necessary either, but at least it's early enough you can recover from a bad result.

But NASCAR's cry for help is a big opportunity for IndyCar. It needs to promote itself as the fastest, purest show in town where 20 cars are separated by a less than a second most weekends and the quickest driver usually takes the checkered flag.

It's still the fastest four-wheel motorsports series in the world that doesn't go in a straight line, and its champion is the most versatile racer on the planet. If you pull away and have everyone covered on a Saturday night or a Sunday afternoon, you don't have to worry about a phantom caution flag.
And, for the integrity of the sport and history books, there will only be one winner.