A few thoughts

[lurker]

As far as the whistleblowers goes everybody is for whistleblower as long as they don't whistleblow on their parade.

Everyone likes them when they work for what they were intended for and they aren't used as orchestrated game pieces ...

I believe that was my point, yet its the bias and hypocrisy that just pi$$es me off to no end. I guess someone always has to be someone else’s bad guy.

[lurker]

If the IMPOTUS would have followed the "rule of law" nobody would have to leak the information.

Ok. Lets say for a minute that you are correct on that point, and your entire impeachment opinion(s) points and or facts. With that given, why did - Pelosi, Schiff, (and Nadler etc ...), think it was necessary to proceed (rush) forward now, rather than taking a slower legalistic approach via our court judicial systems? Thus getting possibly more inquiry evidence for impeachment of Trump. Just looking for your personal opinion, nothing more.

[Barbecueboy]

Whistleblowers

Everyone likes them when they work for what they were intended for and they aren't used as orchestrated game pieces ......a true whistleblower scenario is pretty easy to see, so is one used as a get even tactic.

Erry body ain't blind to that.

[ss12]

To me, dirtMAN007 makes a valid point in his posting regarding, “follow the rule of law and illegally leak information”, and with that said, for non-arguments sake - why is it that, Edward Snowden, Eric Ciaramella, and now this leaker, are all whistleblower/leakers, yet Snowden is the only one of the three considered a criminal, as well as having his identity revealed? (if all of that makes sense) Both Obama and Trump have openly expressed displeasure about Snowden, with the consensus of him being a hacker or traitor and so forth. This is another topic that I am baffled about regarding the bias.

If the IMPOTUS would have followed the "rule of law" nobody would have to leak the information. President Washington made it clear that a president can't use executive privilege when it comes to an impeachment. Here is a perfect reason why Washington made that decision. The IMPOTUS is using executive privilege to hide evidence that will prove he is committing crimes why in office.

As far as the whistleblowers goes everybody is for whistleblower as long as they don't whistleblow on their parade.

[kidrock]

[QUOTE=Barbecueboy;2301492]But you're cool with pelosi????? It's a serious question.

I know you love her because her trump stance matching yours ....but have you really looked at her voting record and historical past while in office???[/QUO

I have no idea what her voting record is but, I don't dislike her like I do Chuck and I have no idea what his voting record is as well. Lets say this I bet neither of their voting records are conservative lol.

[lurker]

Just Security

Interesting site. Started reading a few things last night that interested me, and time went to the side, and hour or so later. Interestingly enough, I gleaned a few points (from different articles) that you have tried to express here, that fall on deaf ears, or blind eyes. Points that are neither Left or Right leaning, but just matter of fact stated that are easily vetted in my opinion.

The one article that struck me most interesting was, “The Snowden Effect, Six Years On” https://www.justsecurity.org/64464/t...-six-years-on/ -------- as I cannot cut and paste the article I am referencing, paragraphs three and the last two speak volumes -------- which in-part (wire tapping, metadata, collection, etc ….) circles directly back around to the impeachment in hand for numerous reasons.

JustSecurity received these documents but they were redacted.

I knew about the redacted emails.

Someone leaked the un-redacted documents -----

Didn’t know about the un-redacted emails.

---- leaked ----

To me, dirtMAN007 makes a valid point in his posting regarding, “follow the rule of law and illegally leak information”, and with that said, for non-arguments sake - why is it that, Edward Snowden, Eric Ciaramella, and now this leaker, are all whistleblower/leakers, yet Snowden is the only one of the three considered a criminal, as well as having his identity revealed? (if all of that makes sense) Both Obama and Trump have openly expressed displeasure about Snowden, with the consensus of him being a hacker or traitor and so forth. This is another topic that I am baffled about regarding the bias.

[Barbecueboy]

That guy is a friggin moron. I can't believe they have him as the leader. Poor excuse for a leader.

But you're cool with pelosi????? It's a serious question.

I know you love her because her trump stance matching yours ....but have you really looked at her voting record and historical past while in office???

[kidrock]

As the standoff over rules for an impeachment trial continues, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell repeated Friday that he would consider a proposal to call for witness testimony BUT Chuck You Schumer is against it. Go figure.

That guy is a friggin moron. I can't believe they have him as the leader. Poor excuse for a leader.

[Clayton_Wetters]

What are you afraid of? Let them all testify and end once and for all. Half the American people are going to believe he is guilty if nothing else comes from this.. He could be exonerated by having them testify come on Trump if it was a perfect call what are you afraid of.

You can think it's nonsense but I don't. ALL TO TESTIFY TESTIFY TESTIFY YES OR NO
MY VOTE IS TO TESTIFY WHATS YOURS?

As the standoff over rules for an impeachment trial continues, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell repeated Friday that he would consider a proposal to call for witness testimony BUT Chuck You Schumer is against it. Go figure.

[dirtMAN007]

JustSecurity received these documents but they were redacted. Someone leaked the un-redacted documents to Kate Brannen of Just Security. These are probably some of the documents that Trump wouldn't release.

So let’s follow the rule of law and illegally leak information ...............and the libtards who always follow the rule of law praise these illegal acts! Makes perfect sense !

[lurker]

Lurker I appreciate the clean debates and keep me in line. You remind me of the best Warden that I worked for. When you went to his office you better have all of you facts correct and be able to answer any questions he was going to throw at you. He kept you on your A game. May You and your family have a great year.

You are more than welcome, and same back to you. Respect and be respected is always a great thing when it comes to political arena debating.

[Barbecueboy]

OH brother , more probablys......the maybes....ought to bes and might be's will be along shortly.

Hopefully, lmao.

[ss12]

This is where it gets even more mind boggling, Republican or Democrat.

Newly revealed email says Trump directed aid freeze - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnmg1kWHUMg&t=178s

Where the he@# was this during the impeachment inquiry? Just all of a sudden we found this tidbit. Bang it fell in our lap. Talk about poor due diligence on both sides of the aisle. This crap amazes me more and more every day.

JustSecurity received these documents but they were redacted. Someone leaked the un-redacted documents to Kate Brannen of Just Security. These are probably some of the documents that Trump wouldn't release.

[kidrock]

My vote is to end the lies and lame biased fake witnesses. Whatever they are supposed to have witnessed has not even been stated. The witch hunt must end.

So then I take it your out. So, what's that 4 yes and 1 no on asking for everyone to testify.

[ss12]

Lurker I appreciate the clean debates and keep me in line. You remind me of the best Warden that I worked for. When you went to his office you better have all of you facts correct and be able to answer any questions he was going to throw at you. He kept you on your A game. May You and your family have a great year.