Black Issues

[Osiris1241]

You literally asked a question of me about whether or not African slaves were wrongfully captured, not if they were legally captured. At this point I don't even know what you are asking, then. Of course these practices were allowed in these regions at the time, but what does that have to do with anything being discussed? How is it reaching out if you can't even properly form your questions? I read your question and answered it based on how you worded it, how is that trolling?

[NorthAlabama]

Not asking for your opinion. I'm asking the law of the land per say on your knowledge base on how valid Africans can capture Africans and trade them to Shippers. But I see your left wing opinion matters more than truth, your zipped mouth. I reached out to you, trying to be nice to you, you are a Troll by definition.

[Osiris1241]

Question: Were these Africans captured under wrongful means? Tribal warfare? But the Shippers did save their lives, for they would have starved to death in African prisons run by Africans. In away, Afro Americans should be grateful to the white man. Then here the contract agreements between the white men, are they truly valid if the captured are take by wrong means? Then who is should pay the debts?

I'll be honest this feels like a trick question but I'll answer honestly. There are little to no correct forms of slavery. Ancient European, Islamic, African and any other forms are all wrong even if at different levels. I find the claim that slaves were being saved is very bad. African slaves weren't simply prisoners in West Central Africa. They were specifically kidnapped for the sake of being sold in the trade. In most regions where the slave trade focused, those lands were observed at the time to have a fraction of the level of slaves prior to the arrival of European traders. To suggest that African Americans should be thankful for their treatment and kidnapping is basically on the level of saying Native Americans should be thankful for the Trail of Tears happening. To answer the last part, I'm not sure what you mean by debts as I'm not one that believes in direct reparations in the present day. If you don't mean those kinds of debts, you'll have to elaborate further.

[NorthAlabama]

Maybe we can work together to find the main answer. That is why I asked, because a lot of research information that I'm digging for is not fool proof and cannot be validated, to take the captured African, mostly opinions. This is what is known. War lords (like Tip-pa-too) and Kings (like Heroin) captured Africans for trade, different reasons. Question: Were these Africans captured under wrongful means? Tribal warfare? But the Shippers did save their lives, for they would have starved to death in African prisons run by Africans. In away, Afro Americans should be grateful to the white man. Then here the contract agreements between the white men, are they truly valid if the captured are take by wrong means? Then who is should pay the debts?

[Osiris1241]

Let's go backwards to find the root. KJV states that Masters and Servants are valid (with commands), so-called slavery is valid. How does one get put into servitude 1) defeated in war 2) born into servitude, are spoken of that I remember. Question: Did the African get placed into servitude (chained in Africa) that meets legal and Religious standards? Answer that one.

Why would you care about the legal standards when they are not tied to religious standards? A lot of people would also argue that the African Slave Trade does NOT meet traditional Old Testament standards of slavery, due to the drastic change in definitions of the term "slavery". I may be wrong, but doesn't the KJV also only refer to "servants" rather than specifically the term "slaves"? I could be wrong but when I last read the KJV, I only recall a few uses of the word bondsman which would be the closest thing to a concrete slave, though that word also had very different meaning for its time.

[NorthAlabama]

Let's go backwards to find the root. KJV states that Masters and Servants are valid (with commands), so-called slavery is valid. How does one get put into servitude 1) defeated in war 2) born into servitude, are spoken of that I remember. Question: Did the African get placed into servitude (chained in Africa) that meets legal and Religious standards? Answer that one.

[Osiris1241]

"Your experiences are terrible", my experience were NOT terrible, it is real life...... "majority STILL preferred that life to one of forced servitude", my great (old maid) aunt said one time, "you don't miss something that you have never had". Hard work makes a humble Godly man outta of one, if one did not work, they probably got an attitude adjustment or went without food, no matter who you were.

It's great that you enjoyed your experiences in life, that doesn't justify playing down the experiences of others that you didn't have. Just like my last post, I will point out that you knew who your great aunt was and got to speak with her. Your quote from her is also extremely selective. Yes, I may not miss a new Aston Martin that I never owned, but I also wouldn't miss the experience of breaking a leg or being shot in the arm.

[NorthAlabama]

"Your experiences are terrible", my experience were NOT terrible, it is real life...... "majority STILL preferred that life to one of forced servitude", my great (old maid) aunt said one time, "you don't miss something that you have never had". Hard work makes a humble Godly man outta of one, if one did not work, they probably got an attitude adjustment or went without food, no matter who you were.

[Osiris1241]

Most of my ancestors bartered (non-existent wages), even working for food when share cropping and not getting paid but allowed to stay in one of the field worker shacks (maybe with a dog trot), even my mother spoke of eating cold corn bread for breakfast. I use to play under my Grandfather's house (with the chickens) looking up at the cracks in between the floor boards. On cold nights, kids slept 3 to a bed, and adults wrapped a warming brick from the fire place to put in the foot of the bed, no running water. Everybody was forced to labor, even the kids to help out doing their chores. This ideal of horrors of slavery is not so true, many servants had it far better than free whites and blacks begging for food, no housing and no wealthy white nor black Master providing essentials. Do you think if you paid a large sum of money for the services of a labor source, that you will not provide and take care of your investment? Get real. Someone has been watching to many radical black director Hollywood films; while doing their bun hair and nails, is that what I read?

The whole reason the slave trade was so massive in the United States was because it was so much cheaper compared to even the poorest, low wage white farmers. Your experiences are terrible but assuming you aren't 116, you're at the earliest talking about the late 1800, a time where the vast majority of African Americans were living in the exact same conditions. Despite how poor those conditions were, the vast majority STILL preferred that life to one of forced servitude. Hell, the fact you even knew your mother and she knew her father is a drastic difference to the lives of many slaves who were forcibly separated from their parents. Can you name more than two popular films by black directors about the slave trade that aren't Roots, a program that only had 1 black director out of a total of 4? The "narrative" I speak of is not based on films or my own personal experiences. It's based on the thousands of historical sources available that show the slave trade as the horrific evil that it was. I'm sorry if your life was that difficult, but that doesn't negate the experiences of people just because you didn't see those experiences personally.

[NorthAlabama]

Most of my ancestors bartered (non-existent wages), even working for food when share cropping and not getting paid but allowed to stay in one of the field worker shacks (maybe with a dog trot), even my mother spoke of eating cold corn bread for breakfast. I use to play under my Grandfather's house (with the chickens) looking up at the cracks in between the floor boards. On cold nights, kids slept 3 to a bed, and adults wrapped a warming brick from the fire place to put in the foot of the bed, no running water. Everybody was forced to labor, even the kids to help out doing their chores. This ideal of horrors of slavery is not so true, many servants had it far better than free whites and blacks begging for food, no housing and no wealthy white nor black Master providing essentials. Do you think if you paid a large sum of money for the services of a labor source, that you will not provide and take care of your investment? Get real. Someone has been watching to many radical black director Hollywood films; while doing their bun hair and nails, is that what I read?

[Osiris1241]

I also must ask again what sect of Christianity you follow. I have some guesses but your use of the name Yahweh just adds to the mystery for me.

[Osiris1241]

When Blacks push the Civil Rights button on films, you have to know certain things. They have an agenda and are NOT telling you the whole truth. Example: ......Blacks had to pick cotton. I picked cotton when I was 7 or 8 in Mississippi with my Grandfather to make spending money. I got a whole quarter. I think they fudged the scales and I really was to be paid 22 cents (2/3s of a pickin' sack full of cotton which took me over 2 hours to pick)......Blacks had to take their children out of school to work and help make money for the family. All schools let out of school for planting days and harvest days, everybody worked..........Blacks did slave labor work and got paid little to nothing......My ancestors worked mostly as farmers and some as share croppers and in cutting timber, hard work, everybody worked hard with little pay........Certain radical (the R word) Black film makers are the worst thing that can happen to America, the goal, pity.

I'm sorry but I just do not see what you working on a cotton field and how much you were paid to do so has to do with slavery. What does that have to actually do with films covering civil rights issues/history? The issue of slavery wasn't just about the non-existent wages, but the fact that it was forced labor. Other people working hard doesn't diminish the fact that there were other people physically forced into hard labor on top of all the other horrors of slavery.

[NorthAlabama]

When Blacks push the Civil Rights button on films, you have to know certain things. They have an agenda and are NOT telling you the whole truth. Example: ......Blacks had to pick cotton. I picked cotton when I was 7 or 8 in Mississippi with my Grandfather to make spending money. I got a whole quarter. I think they fudged the scales and I really was to be paid 22 cents (2/3s of a pickin' sack full of cotton which took me over 2 hours to pick)......Blacks had to take their children out of school to work and help make money for the family. All schools let out of school for planting days and harvest days, everybody worked..........Blacks did slave labor work and got paid little to nothing......My ancestors worked mostly as farmers and some as share croppers and in cutting timber, hard work, everybody worked hard with little pay........Certain radical (the R word) Black film makers are the worst thing that can happen to America, the goal, pity.

[NorthAlabama]

^^^^^^OMG! The best one liners that I have ever did and almost didn't catch it..........To add: My D-i-c-k and Jane 1st grade story to explain 'arrived' did not work out correctly because the name D-i-c-k is a dirty word. But if one reads it anyway, I think the point gets across what 'arrived' is, with a twist of humor at the end.

[NorthAlabama]

If anyone gets to watch 'The Black Church', a PBS documentary do so, it is very interesting and shows that it is about civil right for blacks (AfricaMERICA), not about YHWH........ Remember AME Obama's preacher, " G.. D.. America". George Floyd had angle wings at a AME church, he got a free express pass to Heaven bypassing God's wrath. Al Sharpton loves the AME where he speaks his love for you, the white man, "Get your knee off of our necks".....I don't agree with the Meth church, they are anti hanging criminals. I'm not, for we need to put fear of YHWH back into the unmoral minds, otherwise, they go back to being an ape again.........'Googling can give you knowledge, but you must pray asking Yahweh for wisdom'.