Unions and credibility

[kidrock]

Alex it's more telling that people don't care about this topic.

[Buford.Justice]

Alex Jones didn't do anything to those families, you idiot!!!!

[kidrock]

Alex Jones spent years accusing family members of the victims they were hoaxes and suggesting their family members were still alive you f-----g idiot and you believed it. How would you feel if that was your family member

[Buford.Justice]

Alex Jones spent years accusing family members of the victims they were hoaxes and suggesting their family members were still alive you f-----g idiot and you believed it. How would you feel if that was your family member

Cry me a river, then jump in it!!!! Alex is coming for you and your family, be very scared!!!

Take my advice, crawl back under your rock!!! hahahahhaa

A bunch of clowns are lying about much worse things and serious issues on TV and you give them all a pass.. But let Jones make a mistake and you appear like a pile of dog poop, right on the front porch!!!!

[kidrock]

Cry me a river, then jump in it!!!! Alex is coming for you and your family, be very scared!!!

Take my advice, crawl back under your rock!!! hahahahhaa

A bunch of clowns are lying about much worse things and serious issues on TV and you give them all a pass.. But let Jones make a mistake and you appear like a pile of dog poop, right on the front porch!!!!

A mistake my azz. He did it in the name of profit and you believed his big mistake. You should be ashamed of yourself for believing his lies and sticking up for him. Then he goes and files bankruptcy so, he doesn't have to pay them. What a big loser he is.

[Buford.Justice]

A mistake my azz. He did it in the name of profit and you believed his big mistake. You should be ashamed of yourself for believing his lies and sticking up for him. Then he goes and files bankruptcy so, he doesn't have to pay them. What a big loser he is.

Have don't have a clue of the real facts. But that doesn't stop you from hating over learning. Been a life long problem hasn't it?

Oops you wouldn't even know!!!

[kidrock]

Have don't have a clue of the real facts. But that doesn't stop you from hating over learning. Been a life long problem hasn't it?

Oops you wouldn't even know!!!

I'm going to ask you one question. Was Sandy Hook a HOAX?

[dirtMAN007]

I'm going to ask you one question. Was Sandy Hook a HOAX?

One question……is SERIOUSLY STUPIDS old lady back from Florida ?

[Morgs153]

Kidrock wrote:

"My wife has worked in schools for 32 years and with the pandemic it wasn't just the teachers who were concerned. The Administration was also concerned because, of shortages in teachers, subs plus just regular staff personal. When the pandemic first hit no one was sure who the virus was going to affect more older people or younger people so, the schools were face with a difficult decision to go remote or not. they were already in the process instead of having to make snow days up go remote on those days the pandemic just advanced that process. They were afraid they wouldn't even have enough staff to have school so, they made the difficult decision to go remote.

We can go around and second guess everything now that we know more but, at the time no one wanted to take a chance of getting people really sick or even worse they die from it. "

For some reason I had to copy and paste your post. Reply with quote didn't work for me.

Anyway kidrock, I can appreciate your wife's personal experience in the matter. I'll agree that very early on there were many unknowns and they were often making decisions based on the side of safety. All the factors you cite, as far as the unknowns of the illness and the labor issues were all present across the board. Health care workers, firefighters, first responders, police officers, jailers, prison guards, many retail workers, food supply workers, farmers, ranchers, construction workers, public works employees, etc., they all kept working. A whole lot of folks kept it up day to day. My wife works in health care, she had to go everyday throughout this ordeal and deal with minimal staff issues and and a revolving door of sick co-workers.

Now I understand the argument that the often very healthy kids could catch it, take it home, and pass it on to a parent or grandparent in the family unit. Same thing could be said for almost anyone else I listed. Virus gonna virus. My problem wasn't when they were early on in this with the - fifteen days to slow the spread mode. My problem with the teachers unions in many places was their reluctance to return once we did know much more about it and they still wanted to stay home. Chicago comes to mind on this one along with some other large size school districts.

One of the big problems I always have with teachers unions is how they always try to sell their side of the argument as - it is for the children. No it isn't. It is for their membership and I get it, a union is supposed to stick up for their membership. Just like their constant squawking about smaller class sizes. Smaller class sizes means hiring more dues paying union teachers, it doesn't necessarily equate to brighter kids. Parochial, private, and charter schools blow that argument out of the water consistently.

Good discussion.

[kidrock]

Morgs Like I said they had to make a very difficult decision. I understand about those you mentioned had to go to work. I never stopped working during the whole pandemic but, when it comes to kids and staff they had to take everyone into consideration. My wife just got a new job last summer and she is the secretary for Superintendent of schools and he did not want to go remote learning but, he had to much pressure from a lot of parents who was not going to send their kids to school. Plus the Governor mandated schools be closed so, he had no choice but, to go remote learning.

Now as far as the teachers union wanting more members paying dues. One thing I need to point out is kids going to private and charter schools don't usually come from a broken home. and in private schools you have kids who do and usually those kids disrupt the classes all day long. Schools can't discipline kids like they used to so, they want smaller class size to be able to try and control their classes. My wife comes home all the time and tells me stories of what kids do and I'm like no wonder you can't find teachers because most of their time is spent being a social worker. So it's not always about wanting more members paying dues but, I won't dispute that might go on

[ss12]

Are you gentleman kidding me? We went from attacking nurses now to schoolteachers. I'm not going to talk about the Chicago school district because it's totally different from down state. I have a son-in-law that is a schoolteacher. The school district right now has teacher who yet have graduated from college teaching children. The biggest reason is because they can find teacher to teach because of the pay is so low. Several school districts running into this problem. Health insurance for the family is not affordable. My son-in-law can't afford insurance for his family because his salary is too low. Now you want to talk about dumbing down the kids. This is what you get when you won't invest in good quality teacher who need to be able to support their families also. You get what you pay for. My son-in-law loves what he is doing and that's the only thing keeping him teaching. He could make more money working at the local McDonalds. In the state of Illinois teachers do not contribute into social security but do contribute into medicare. So when they retire, they will not get social security. Now who wants to be a teacher?

[fastford]

my daughter is a teacher here in alabama at the deaf and blind school , which is part of the state public school system , the state pays for her insurance , we have no teachers unions here and dont need one because the teachers here are treated very fair , SS , sounds like your son in law should apply for obummer care if his salary is that low , there is people here making pretty good money that gets it for free ,

[Raceready]

The work ethic. You have to be kidding right. You think non union people have a better work ethic then union people. That's laughable. You have people who are unethical no matter if they work for a union or not. You have lazy people no matter if they work in a union or not. You have people who steal no matter if they work in a union or not. It's just nonsense to say otherwise. I don't care if the product is made by union employees or not. If I like the product I will buy it. as far as the same Characters, It was you, Alex, Dirtman, Raceready lurker and formercrewguy. I don't see any names that we don't see on here for the most part.

LOLOLOL ! ! I've watched both type of crews building on the same type of project and I can tell you that you could always see a whirlpool of activity around the non-union site while just about anytime one looked there was some of those union slackers lounging around. Needless to say the non- u-crew was done with the project 3months faster. The non-u buildings were in move-in from the completion but it took a while to sort out all of the problems that the slather azzes half azzed put together ! Amazing how the unioneers can take over twice as much time to do a job but the quality is still lacking compared to the non-u work !? ?

[Barbecueboy]

Are you gentleman kidding me? We went from attacking nurses now to schoolteachers. I'm not going to talk about the Chicago school district because it's totally different from down state. I have a son-in-law that is a schoolteacher. The school district right now has teacher who yet have graduated from college teaching children. The biggest reason is because they can find teacher to teach because of the pay is so low. Several school districts running into this problem. Health insurance for the family is not affordable. My son-in-law can't afford insurance for his family because his salary is too low. Now you want to talk about dumbing down the kids. This is what you get when you won't invest in good quality teacher who need to be able to support their families also. You get what you pay for. My son-in-law loves what he is doing and that's the only thing keeping him teaching. He could make more money working at the local McDonalds. In the state of Illinois teachers do not contribute into social security but do contribute into medicare. So when they retire, they will not get social security. Now who wants to be a teacher?

My son in law is a newbie school teacher currently, his mother and father both were school teachers and coaches all their adult lives……my son in law loves it as well.
Unions aren’t going to fix the problems teachers are having, all that sheet starts at home.

And for the record….we aren’t attacking all nurses, just the sheety union nurses that walked out on their patients causing more of them to die than should have……..you provided the data there dummy.

Don’t like the profession, change it…….nobody is stopping anyone from doing that.

[Barbecueboy]

LOLOLOL ! ! I've watched both type of crews building on the same type of project and I can tell you that you could always see a whirlpool of activity around the non-union site while just about anytime one looked there was some of those union slackers lounging around. Needless to say the non- u-crew was done with the project 3months faster. The non-u buildings were in move-in from the completion but it took a while to sort out all of the problems that the slather azzes half azzed put together ! Amazing how the unioneers can take over twice as much time to do a job but the quality is still lacking compared to the non-u work !? ?

Unions are like the McRib……..they look good from the outside, but really kinda suk and aren’t really necessary for Mickey ds to continue to thrive.

Your assessment of the side by side projects is 100% spot on….and they know it, just pisses them off because they can’t do anything about it.