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  • mudslinger47
    Banned
    • May 2007
    • 3452

    #1

    For your gun haters:

    A little truth. And don't ask for links, do your own flippin home work.

    Just in case you missed it: on December 27, Chicago recorded it's 500th homicide for 2012. Under the 28 year handgun ban that was overturned by the SCOTUS in 2010, Chicago saw homicide rates as high as 943 in 1991, a 41% increase from the time the handgun ban was instituted versus an 18% increase in the rest of the nation during the same time period. Chicago still has a registration database for firearms purchases, transfers (both public and private transfers), and ammunition purchases, yet has almost twice the homicide rate of Los Angeles in spite of having 1 million less residents. Washington D.C. instituted a ban on ALL "bottom loading" guns (handguns and long guns) in 1976, still in effect today, and have seen a homicide rate increase by 156% while the rest of the nation increased by 32% in that 36-year period.

    The point is gun registration databases, assault weapon bans, and limiting magazine capacity are "feel good" solutions, but have no recordable affect on gun-related crimes. Like abortion, the ONLY way to reduce gun violence is through education.



    To me, the point is more laws aren't the answer.
  • Late_Model_Mark
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2007
    • 2321

    #2
    Right on Duane!



    Late Model Mark
    Insured By Smith & Wesson

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    • perfconn
      Senior Member
      • May 2007
      • 3573

      #3
      The largest mass murder of school children in US history did not involve guns.It was by dynamite.The problem is it is no longer socially acceptable to lock up crazy people.

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      • mudslinger47
        Banned
        • May 2007
        • 3452

        #4
        You see, I understand the quandry about arbitrarily locking people up because someone says their crazy, why can't the other side see the reasons for not limiting the gun owners of America? To me, thats the 64,000 dollar question.

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        • perfconn
          Senior Member
          • May 2007
          • 3573

          #5
          Guns are not the problem.Its the crazies who are the problem.

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          • mudslinger47
            Banned
            • May 2007
            • 3452

            #6
            I wonder how many people know that Conn. already has an assault weapons ban. As did Columbine at the time. Enforce the laws is the only fix. Well that and actually knowing what an assault weapon is, would help...

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            • TeamGRT12x
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2007
              • 911

              #7
              Originally posted by mudslinger47 View Post
              I wonder how many people know that Conn. already has an assault weapons ban. As did Columbine at the time. Enforce the laws is the only fix. Well that and actually knowing what an assault weapon is, would help...
              The laws in bordering states to Newtown had lax laws.

              What happened at Columbine, when there were two armed guards? What about at VA Tech? How come they couldn't stop the massacres?
              Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not.

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              • mudslinger47
                Banned
                • May 2007
                • 3452

                #8
                Originally posted by TeamGRT12x View Post
                The laws in bordering states to Newtown had lax laws.

                What happened at Columbine, when there were two armed guards? What about at VA Tech? How come they couldn't stop the massacres?
                As you know, the gals guns were bought in Conn., and were legal and were not assault rifles, the kid stole them. He tried to buy his own, but the laws stopped him from doing that, the system worked. But at that time, he steals the weapons and becomes a criminal and then does his deed and becomes a worse criminal.. The Columbine killings were curtailed by having the guards there, could have been worse. Having a guard isn't ever going to be a 100%, but maybe some kind of deterrent. Almost all your major big banks have armed guards, doesn't stop bank robbery, severely curtails it but doesn't stop it. Same deal with the guards at the schools.

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                • Clayton_Wetter
                  Banned
                  • May 2007
                  • 16671

                  #9
                  The term Assualt Weapon can be twisted anyway they want it. Literally any gun can be labeled an assault weapon and once they get an assault weapon ban in place then it can be broadened every time there is another whacko going on a killing mission.

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                  • Hollis
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 689

                    #10
                    Who Do We Fear??

                    It must be awful to live with such fear to have the need of a cache of weapons.

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                    • buster83
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 1878

                      #11
                      i consider a assault rifle to be fully automatic, with a bayonet and grenade launchers all of them out there are semi automatic,bayonet is banned along with grenade launchers. calling them assault rifles is wrong,they are automatic rifles there is a good many and different styles out there larger pistol calibers are equal or more deadly at close range.

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                      • Clayton_Wetter
                        Banned
                        • May 2007
                        • 16671

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Hollis View Post
                        It must be awful to live with such fear to have the need of a cache of weapons.
                        Or could it be wisdom? Do you believe that self defense is "a weapon"?

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                        • racin6mod
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 2172

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
                          Or could it be wisdom? Do you believe that self defense is "a weapon"?
                          at a gun buy back they had 2 rocket launchers show up. who needs those? ther has to be a limit and the NRA only want more guns and no limits. A friend has 40 guns and thousands of rounds he's in his 60's and most likely couldn't get to one if he had to defend himself.

                          it seems to me alot of people want every right possible with no responsiblity.if the mother of this crazy kid would have had a safe to store her guns she might be alive today along with all those children. trigger locks should be sold with the gun and gun safes might help just as much as an armed guard(which has proven not to work)

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                          • C4Vette
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 1631

                            #14
                            Originally posted by racin6mod View Post
                            at a gun buy back they had 2 rocket launchers show up. who needs those?
                            Those were empty training tubes that have been disabled and can be bought at some Surplus stores for probably $50. Who ever turned those in got a heck of deal and a tidy profit.
                            "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." ~ Abraham Lincoln

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                            • mudslinger47
                              Banned
                              • May 2007
                              • 3452

                              #15
                              Originally posted by racin6mod View Post
                              at a gun buy back they had 2 rocket launchers show up. who needs those? ther has to be a limit and the NRA only want more guns and no limits. A friend has 40 guns and thousands of rounds he's in his 60's and most likely couldn't get to one if he had to defend himself.

                              it seems to me alot of people want every right possible with no responsiblity.if the mother of this crazy kid would have had a safe to store her guns she might be alive today along with all those children. trigger locks should be sold with the gun and gun safes might help just as much as an armed guard(which has proven not to work)
                              The reason is our government has no idea where to stop. It should be obvious to you by now with 14 trillion dollars of debt on the horizon. To my knowledge, only one school had security guards, the was Columbine and they were credited (rightly or wrongly) with limiting the number of deaths.

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