For your gun haters:

[t.nie]

As you know, the gals guns were bought in Conn., and were legal and were not assault rifles, the kid stole them. He tried to buy his own, but the laws stopped him from doing that, the system worked. But at that time, he steals the weapons and becomes a criminal and then does his deed and becomes a worse criminal.. The Columbine killings were curtailed by having the guards there, could have been worse. Having a guard isn't ever going to be a 100%, but maybe some kind of deterrent. Almost all your major big banks have armed guards, doesn't stop bank robbery, severely curtails it but doesn't stop it. Same deal with the guards at the schools.

You're right. The kid stole the guns from his mom, killed her with one, then slaughtered all those kids at the school. Very efficiently. He had the exact proper tool for the job: a lightweight, rapid firing semi-auto with an extremely fast reload capability (drop one clip and pop another in and be ready to start killing again in less than 2 seconds if you practice) with multiple 30 round high capacity magazines and hundreds of rounds in reserve. Plus a couple other less efficient but still deadly firearms.

I have no problem with guns. I'm a marksman with rifles and pistols. Been around them all my life. But there's no dam way in hell I want to be facing that kid with that gun with no body armor or cover. No way.

So that just begs the question, why in the world do we make weapons that are that high powered and capable of creating that much devastation that quickly available for sale to the public? I don't think it takes 120 rounds in 2 minutes to kill Bambi. I don't think we need to be able to shoot up 24 beer cans on a log in under 45 seconds.

I get sport shooters. And actually, I am fine with those guns being in the right hands in our society. But really, I think you should be free to own and fire those weapons under controlled circumstances, on ranges, in mock combat scenarios if thats your thing. But you don't need that gun in your personal collection at home. It just makes it all too easy for the wrong people to do the worst possible things with them very quickly.

Make them available at ranges. Make people who want to handle those weapons register, get trained and only be allowed to use them under controlled circumstances, and make sure they don't take them home with them. Seems sensible to me. Everybody gets something, but no one gets everything they want. Gun owners and enthusiasts can have access to whatever they want, under controlled circumstances, and the rest of society gets some peace of mind knowing those weapons aren't being left laying around where the mentally ill nephew can steal it and go on a rampage.

And it would also create jobs.

(oh, and Columbine? The armed guards curtailed the killing? Really? The fact that they were lousy bomb makers curtailed the killing. If the bomb that was planted under the bench upstairs above the common area on the first floor had gone off, instead of fizzling out, then the actual plan those two had to kill a bunch of people with the bomb and subsequent building collapse driving the majority out the two doors on the other side, (where both were laying in wait to mow the fleeing students down when they rushed away from the carnage inside) would have resulted in even greater casualties. Armed guards were just something else they had to plan for, and quite frankly, was of no concern to either. That argument never holds water. It's just another element that people who do this stuff take into consideration, it doesn't stop them.)

[Clayton_Wetter]

You're right. The kid stole the guns from his mom, killed her with one, then slaughtered all those kids at the school. Very efficiently. He had the exact proper tool for the job: a lightweight, rapid firing semi-auto with an extremely fast reload capability (drop one clip and pop another in and be ready to start killing again in less than 2 seconds if you practice) with multiple 30 round high capacity magazines and hundreds of rounds in reserve. Plus a couple other less efficient but still deadly firearms.

I have no problem with guns. I'm a marksman with rifles and pistols. Been around them all my life. But there's no dam way in hell I want to be facing that kid with that gun with no body armor or cover. No way.

So that just begs the question, why in the world do we make weapons that are that high powered and capable of creating that much devastation that quickly available for sale to the public? I don't think it takes 120 rounds in 2 minutes to kill Bambi. I don't think we need to be able to shoot up 24 beer cans on a log in under 45 seconds.

I get sport shooters. And actually, I am fine with those guns being in the right hands in our society. But really, I think you should be free to own and fire those weapons under controlled circumstances, on ranges, in mock combat scenarios if thats your thing. But you don't need that gun in your personal collection at home. It just makes it all too easy for the wrong people to do the worst possible things with them very quickly.

Make them available at ranges. Make people who want to handle those weapons register, get trained and only be allowed to use them under controlled circumstances, and make sure they don't take them home with them. Seems sensible to me. Everybody gets something, but no one gets everything they want. Gun owners and enthusiasts can have access to whatever they want, under controlled circumstances, and the rest of society gets some peace of mind knowing those weapons aren't being left laying around where the mentally ill nephew can steal it and go on a rampage.

And it would also create jobs.

(oh, and Columbine? The armed guards curtailed the killing? Really? The fact that they were lousy bomb makers curtailed the killing. If the bomb that was planted under the bench upstairs above the common area on the first floor had gone off, instead of fizzling out, then the actual plan those two had to kill a bunch of people with the bomb and subsequent building collapse driving the majority out the two doors on the other side, (where both were laying in wait to mow the fleeing students down when they rushed away from the carnage inside) would have resulted in even greater casualties. Armed guards were just something else they had to plan for, and quite frankly, was of no concern to either. That argument never holds water. It's just another element that people who do this stuff take into consideration, it doesn't stop them.)

So your okay with the government having automatic weapons and even laser weapons while you only have a one shot musket if they turn on you?

[buster83]

So your okay with the government having automatic weapons and even laser weapons while you only have a one shot musket if they turn on you?

that a boy clayton

[15D]

The laws in bordering states to Newtown had lax laws.

What happened at Columbine, when there were two armed guards? What about at VA Tech? How come they couldn't stop the massacres?

It was an armed teacher who killed Klebold and Dylan while the police stood by outside doing nothing.

[kidrock]

It was an armed teacher who killed Klebold and Dylan while the police stood by outside doing nothing.

I can not find anywhere it says a armed teacher killed them.

[DirtRacinBear]

Dirt racing is going extinct..

and you same few people spend all your time making it so no sane person would actually want to come on these boards and talk about racing and want to show up for a race.

[mudslinger47]

I can not find anywhere it says a armed teacher killed them.

NO, they killed themselves when they heard the guards coming. Step by step account on wiki thats pretty good.

[mudslinger47]

Dirt racing is going extinct..

and you same few people spend all your time making it so no sane person would actually want to come on these boards and talk about racing and want to show up for a race.

Then go to the racin' part of the board ya maroon!!!!!


And if you think its extinct, you better show up in Tucson, that place will be jumpin'. I'll be there supporting the sport!!! How bout you, or are you all bellyache?

[15D]

I can not find anywhere it says a armed teacher killed them.

I took another look at this and it appears that there cause of death is attributed to a suicide. I think my memory of it is from an initial report, lord knows those tend to be inaccurate. Thanks for pointing this out.

[skinnyracer39]

For your gun haters:

I took another look at this and it appears that there cause of death is attributed to a suicide. I think my memory of it is from an initial report, lord knows those tend to be inaccurate. Thanks for pointing this out.

hey what about Waco Texas no guns used poison

[balljoint]

So your okay with the government having automatic weapons and even laser weapons while you only have a one shot musket if they turn on you?

thats a good question. Why is the local sheriffs department decked out with m16/m4s?

Are the new bans going to cover those too as well?

Or just the older pre1986 or pre1994 AR-10/AR-15s?


I say if citizens cant have them, neither can the government.

[balljoint]

sounds like something else illegal to smuggle from Mexico

[buster83]

big difference between M/16 and AR/15 and the ar stands for armalite

[mudslinger47]

Be aware gun owners, this administration is coming ofter them, hard and fast...

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/white-house-nra-gun-victory.php?ref=fpa

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obamas-gun-violence-task-force-announces-vice-chairs

If you don't watch carefully you'll lose. This administration is on a roll and they ain't giving up on anything..

[TeamGRT12x]

Be aware gun owners, this administration is coming ofter them, hard and fast...

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/white-house-nra-gun-victory.php?ref=fpa

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obamas-gun-violence-task-force-announces-vice-chairs

If you don't watch carefully you'll lose. This administration is on a roll and they ain't giving up on anything..

If you don't watch carefully you'll lose.... Um, so what are you going to do? The President cannot sign a bill into law that hasn't passed through the House.... sooooooooo Republicans will have to support whatever measures are taken.