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  • Clayton_Wetter
    Banned
    • May 2007
    • 16671

    #31
    TRADE UNIONS’ FUNCTION.

    Trade Unionism really represents in one sense an attempt to organise monopolies of labour power in order to break down the competition between the workers who in the labour market are commodities for sale and to establish monopoly prices for labour. The more Trade Unionism advances in this direction the more difficult it becomes for the Capitalists to make profit. Hence the everlasting cry of the Capitalists for “lower production costs” and its opposite the workers’ struggle for higher wages and improved conditions. This is the fundamental contradiction of Capitalist economy—a struggle between the two classes, the propertied class and the propertyless—which is inevitable so long as the private ownership of the means of production exists.

    From this the Socialist draws the conclusion, therefore, that the class primarily interested in the change from private property to social property is the working class. The goal of Socialism as the classless society has its starting point in the propertyless condition of the working class which is also precisely the starting point of Trade Unionism. The Trade Unions represent the first weapons of the working class in the struggle against Capitalist interests; the Socialist’s goal represents the consummation of the struggle of the working class—its emancipation from the system which gives rise to that struggle.

    Trade Unionism and Socialism have thus a common origin and the aim of Socialism is only possible of achievement by the working class becoming victorious in the struggle against Capitalism. Why then is it that Trade Unionists are not always Socialists?

    People do not start their lives with fully developed theories about systems of society. Nor were Trade Unions formed to fight for Socialism. The workers formed them to defend and improve their immediate conditions of employment, their wages, their hours of labour and so on. This is clearly revealed by the way in which the Trade Unions have grown.

    In the early days of Trade Unions, all concerned with the particular needs of occupations—miners, engineers, carpenters and so forth—were on a much narrower basis than to-day. Almost each craft or trade had its own particular union and their members were drawn from easily traversed localities. Only with the growth of industry, the development of transport and communications between cities and towns and villages did the unions become on the one hand national unions and on the other Trade Unions, combining various trades within an industry. Later still, when the unskilled workers began to organise, there were formed general labour unions which include workers of various industries. Whatever the general form of the unions, all are directly related to occupations, but the more industry develops the more the divisions by industry become apparent, and to-day, for example, in the railway industry there are now only three principal unions; in the mining industry there is a Mine Workers’ Federation of Great Britain formed of County Federations which cater for all the workers in and around the mines; the many cotton workers’ unions combine in federations covering the whole cotton manufacturing industry; and in the woollen industry the process of industrial consolidation is at work.

    THREE TENDENCIES.

    Throughout the history of the Trade Unions there have been three marked tendencies, first the break up of the crafts and trades into more simple forms of labour which brought in its trail the widening of Craft Unions into Trade Unions tending towards Industrial Unions; second, local and national combinations of all the unions into Trades Councils locally and the Trades Union Congress nationally, representing the merging of the many sectional interests into the common interests of all the Trade Unions—the gathering together of the working class; third, the political development of the workers’ movement, the formation of the Labour Party and Socialist parties and groups representing the growing consciousness of the working class of its independent interests and aims—in short, its approach to the Socialist conclusions arising from a recognition of the class divisions in society and the conflict arising therefrom. What was in its first stage an unconscious class struggle of the workers becomes increasingly a conscious class struggle.

    An important hindrance to this development springs, however, from the limited character of the Trade Unions’ activities in relation to the occupations of the workers. The fact that the Trade Unions limited their industrial activities to measures on behalf of particular sections of workers meant that they adopted the method of striking bargains with particular groups of employers. To this has been given the name collective bargaining, the setting up of agreements between employers’ associations and groups of Trade Unions for limited objectives. There can, of course, be no complaint against such a procedure providing it does not become an end in itself but is regarded by the workers as a part of a continuous process in the developing of sufficient power and will to conquer the Capitalists when the time is ripe.

    When, however, collective bargaining is accepted as a permanent procedure and becomes the first principle of action for the working class movement, then it involves the acceptance of Capitalism as a permanent form of society; and the unions will have to take just what the Capitalists can afford to give them. Here lies a central point of difference between Socialists and those Trade Unionists who regard Capitalism as permanent and the Trade Unions as permanent bargain-makers.

    PRESENT DANGERS IN THE TRADE UNIONS.

    The greatest danger for Trade Unionists and Trade Unions to-day arises precisely from the fact that Trade Union policy is too exclusively confined to bargain making and not directed to the Socialist aim of abolishing the economic system which gives rise to the struggle between workers and employers. Especially is this danger most apparent when the world has entered the period of history when Capitalism is breaking down. Already a sixth part of the earth has become Socialist and there, in the U.S.S.R., the Trade Unions have new functions, new tasks, and an entirely new outlook on society. For example, they are completely responsible for the administration of the social welfare of the members in sickness and in health. In co-operation with the Workers’ State they regulate the wages and hours of labour and control the condition and administration of industry. In the rest of the world there are chaos, unemployment, wage struggles, the lengthening of working hours, the smashing of Trade Unionism. Here in Britain itself there are over two million unemployed, intense competition between those who are fortunate enough to get work and a mad race of Capitalism towards another devastating war. All the signs in countries where Capitalism reigns reveal the increasing strains and stresses to which it is subjected, and the failure to find, save at the expense of the workers, any sure temporary stabilities.

    And yet it is a fact that the bargain-making outlook is in command of the unions. So much is this the case that wage struggles are unco-ordinated, the Trades Union Congress is committed to all kinds of plans for re-constructing Capitalism, “Roosevelt Plan for Britain,” and so on.

    How much this is the case was clearly demonstrated recently by the General Council of the T.U.C.’s rejection of the resolution of the Margate Trades Union Congress calling for the co-ordination of the wage struggles of the Trade Unions. The General Council stated that the Trade Unions had so many agreements terminating at different times; that the profitableness of industries varied so much, co-ordination was not deemed practical. Hence when the miners were demanding an improvement of their conditions the rest of the Trade Unions looked on and there was no preparation made to give support in the event of the miners being forced into strike action. The same applies to the many separate efforts of other Trade Unions at the present time.

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    • Clayton_Wetter
      Banned
      • May 2007
      • 16671

      #32
      WHAT THE SOCIALIST WANTS.

      The Socialist declares that such a policy, especially in the present period, is disastrous for the unions and the workers. The Socialist is not anti-trade union. On the contrary, he is the most ardent of Trade Unionists. Socialists want their fellow Trade Unionists to recognise the cause of the struggle their Trade Unions are compelled to wage. Recognising the cause as rooted in the private ownership of the means of production and the propertyless conditions of the working class, Socialists want all the struggles of the unions to be co-ordinated, so that behind every national or industry conflict there will be available the appropriate power of the working class. Socialists want sectionalism to be superseded by a united working class army of the unions led by a general staff which directs the struggles of the workers to one end—the securing of the victory of the working class over the Capitalists.

      This means that the Trade Unions should recognise that all the efforts of the working class must be directed to the goal of the conquest of political power. Their fight in the industrial field must be linked with the fight to obtain a Socialist Government which, backed by the might of the working class, would transfer the ownership of the means of production and distribution from private hands to social ownership.

      INSTRUMENTS OF STRUGGLE.

      The Socialist wants the Trade Unions to be instruments of struggle for this power and this aim, and not instruments for the retarding of the workers’ struggle, as some bargain-makers would seem to desire. Trade Unions should become transformed into industrial unions, i.e. one union for each industry, for the longer the delay in such a transformation the greater the impediments in the way of the conquest of power. To hasten this development Socialists call for the organisation of the workers at “the point of production” in shop stewards and workshop committees, mill committees and pit committees. It is there where the divisions between workers are most fatal; it is there where they can be most quickly overcome; “unity on the job” is the key to the development of the solidarity of the working class in the struggle against Capitalism. And that solidarity is the basis of class action in politics.

      Upon the spread of these ideas among the workers inside and outside the Trade Unions depends the future of the working class. The greater the crisis of Capitalism, the more desperate the Capitalists become, the more certainly will they take issue with the Trade Unions on every question. Trade Unionists must face the fact that the conditions of labour they seek to maintain and establish become increasingly inimical to the existence of Capitalism. Hence the struggle must be joined unless the unions are prepared by accepting the limitations of capitalism to suffer the fate of the Trade Unions in Germany and Italy, where the Fascist regime with its terror—itself but an extension of Capitalism—has broken them to pieces. To prevent this fate the Socialist ideas of reorganisation must take root, become widespread, and inspire the working class to struggle for power.

      Given this the Trade Unions will face a newer and greater future. No longer a movement of protesting wage slaves, they will become, when transformed into industrial unions, when power has been gained, part of the administrative machinery of industry, the means whereby the workers control the conditions and processes of industry.

      IN THE U.S.S.R.

      A living example of this transformation, this enlargement, is now before us in the U.S.S.R. There the unions have complete responsibility for the administration of social welfare; there the unions in co-operation with the party of the workers and the workers’ state, regulate and control every phase of the productive and distributive processes; there is no “dilution problem”, no “apprenticeship problem”; there the struggle for wages with private Capitalism has ended. In the U.S.S.R. society has become a working community, owning and controlling the means of production, and no class conflict, no rival interests of employers and workers divide and impede. The old basis of struggle which characterises the position of the unions under capitalism has vanished in the triumph of Socialism. A new basis of common ownership has given the transformed unions new functions of self-government and administration.

      This is the path of working class emancipation. To inspire the working class of Britain so to transform the spirit and purpose of their Trade Unions that they too may become mighty weapons for working class emancipation through Socialism is the purpose of Socialist activity.

      To this end the Socialist League advocates the following programme of action within the Trade Unions and Labour Movement:—

      1. All workers eligible for membership of Trade Unions to become members of the union catering for his or her trade or occupation.

      2. The amalgamation of the Trade Unions in each industry into one union.

      3. The activities of all the Unions to be co-ordinated by a single General Council functioning as a general staff of the workers’ industrial army.

      4. The democratisation of the Trade Unions by securing that (a) all executive positions are subject to ballot vote at intervals of not more than three years; (b) all major decisions on wages and conditions, etc., arising from disputes with employers are submitted to ballot vote of the members; (c) delegates to Trades Union Congresses are elected by ballot vote and the majority of delegates to any Congress are non-executive members; (d) all Trade Union branches are affiliated to the industrial section of the local Labour Council.

      5. The General Council of the Trades Union Congress, the Labour Party Executive, the Executive of the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Executive of the Cooperative Union to form a National Labour Council for the co-ordination of the activities of all sections of the working class movement and to secure the co-ordination nationally of the economic and political struggles of the workers.

      6. The organisation of Trade Union branches, local Labour Parties and sections of the Co-operative political councils into local Councils of Labour corresponding to the National Council of Labour co-ordinating the economic and political activities and struggles of the workers in every locality.

      7. The organisation of workshop, factory, mill and pit committees, etc., composed of delegates or shop stewards elected by the workers on the job, the local central committees of the delegates or shop stewards in each industry in the locality to be represented on the Local Council of Labour.

      8. The affiliation of the national centres of every section of the organised working class—trade union, political and co-operative—to their respective international bodies and the establishment of one international of trade unionism, one workers’ political international and one co-operative international, governed by the principle of waging the international class struggle for Socialism and linked together in an International Council of Labour.

      With such a democratically controlled organisation, guided by leaders who are animated with the spirit of the Class Struggle and the Socialist purpose we have outlined, the working class of this country will be able to play its part effectively in the fight for that victory over Capitalism and the establishment of Socialism and Peace on which the permanent improvement in the conditions of the workers without question depends.

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      • Hollis
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2012
        • 689

        #33
        Clayton, your disdain for the American worker is well documented. The difference between Walmart and Costco's business model has nothing to do with unions, right or left. It has to do with someone not using the Walmart model and making it work. I realize someone like you can find no good in the difference between them. Wall street, business,retail is taking a look at Costco's approach to it's employees and customers. So far it is working.. I just don't know if they are a communist store.

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        • Clayton_Wetter
          Banned
          • May 2007
          • 16671

          #34
          I have no (zero) disdain for the American worker. Maybe you should redirect that statement towards the white house.

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          • Bubstr
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2008
            • 3734

            #35
            Let's look at a different business model. Australia has a very high minumum wage.


            Yet a 5.6 unemployment rate and less percentage of people on some type of wage supplement.
            http://www.tradingeconomics.com/aust...mployment-rate.

            Their wage went up with inflation, yet it seems it's working for them. How can this be? You don't have to starve some people so the others eat?

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            • skids
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 1003

              #36
              Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
              Let's look at a different business model. Australia has a very high minumum wage.


              Yet a 5.6 unemployment rate and less percentage of people on some type of wage supplement.
              http://www.tradingeconomics.com/aust...mployment-rate.

              Their wage went up with inflation, yet it seems it's working for them. How can this be? You don't have to starve some people so the others eat?
              As a result, their cost of living is substantially higher as well.

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              • t.nie
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2008
                • 1146

                #37
                What is ridiculous about Weterry's replies is they are geared towards a different argument altogether.

                No one here dislikes Capitalism. We just dislike unregulated, unbridled greed run rampant Capitalism. I would be against progressives IF they were preaching "no one should work more than 20 hours a week, the state should provide all housing, the state should take over all privately run businesses, etc.."

                I would not agree with any of that agenda, and quite frankly the people who are projecting that agenda into the argument are not the Liberals and Progressives. It's the right wingers trying to misrepresent everything to scare people.

                It's just hard to have a conversation with someone who projects what they dislike onto you, and then argue every point as if you are trying to pursue an agenda (socialism) that you are not.

                Tell me, Mr. E., Have you ever owned your own business? Have you ever paid someone else wages for work they performed for your business? Are you an entrepreneur or have you always worked for someone else (before you started accepting state aid?)

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                • t.nie
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 1146

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
                  I have no (zero) disdain for the American worker. Maybe you should redirect that statement towards the white house.
                  Can you give us an example of the White House's "disdain" for the American worker? The last time I looked, they were trying to make the standard of living better for the average American worker, not make more of them food stamp recipients.

                  Everything you believe is a twisted misrepresentation of facts. I listen to Beck, I watch Fox. Maybe you should check something out other than the Blast once in awhile. That guy is definitely unstable, but if you listen to nothing but him all the time, I'm pretty sure you could get some pretty far-fetched ideas. I also couldn't help but notice the majority of his show is him blathering on about his ideas, not using much facts, then lining up a parade of listeners who agreed with him and them doing the mutual back-slapping butt-kissing thing. There was so little substance and so much conjecture, supposition, innuendo and fantasy on his show it was like listening to a political cartoon network. And funnily enough,a huge amount of airtime during his show was advertising for his show, which I thought was hilarious.

                  But at least I tune in an listen to him, now that he is on Sirius. Mostly just to know where people like you get your crazy, twisted and maligned thinking from.
                  Last edited by t.nie; 05-07-2013, 01:35 PM.

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                  • Clayton_Wetter
                    Banned
                    • May 2007
                    • 16671

                    #39
                    It always feels better to go on a rampage and misdirect it at conservatives, when threatened Socialist values are attacked. Right Comrad tnie? Your jaw dropping attacks, denial and persecution complex must have come to it's bi-weekly head again.

                    By the way, fly the proper flag on Memorial day!! Not this one!
                    Last edited by Clayton_Wetter; 05-07-2013, 01:46 PM.

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                    • LITE-INN
                      Banned
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 12473

                      #40
                      obummer doesn't even know how many stripes aRre on the flag

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                      • LITE-INN
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 12473

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Bubstr View Post
                        Let's look at a different business model. Australia has a very high minumum wage.


                        Yet a 5.6 unemployment rate and less percentage of people on some type of wage supplement.
                        http://www.tradingeconomics.com/aust...mployment-rate.

                        Their wage went up with inflation, yet it seems it's working for them. How can this be? You don't have to starve some people so the others eat?
                        12.30 an hour which wal mart employees get is way above min wage

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                        • t.nie
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 1146

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Clayton_Wetter View Post
                          It always feels better to go on a rampage and misdirect it at conservatives, when threatened Socialist values are attacked. Right Comrad tnie? Your jaw dropping attacks, denial and persecution complex must have come to it's bi-weekly head again.

                          By the way, fly the proper flag on Memorial day!! Not this one!
                          Once again, you go off the deep end with the "socialist commie comrad" stuff when nothing could be further from the truth. I am a freedom loving American Patriot, I see no value in state run, state owned everything that would do nothing to give people the incentive to get ahead. The only person who lays this "commie socialist" BS off on everyone is you. It isn't even remotely true of me, or most of the people you try to antagonize with it.

                          Face facts, T.E. You are the one going off on wild rampages projecting your hate on people, not everyone else on here. Once again you haven't listened to a word that was said, just threw a bunch of your right wing hate filled malice at people.

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                          • t.nie
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 1146

                            #43
                            By the way, Mr. Shoals, would you not say Walmart is a Socialist company? They do like to spread the cost of their employees basic needs back to the taxpayers. Just look at the factual numbers in Ohio to back that up. Over 10,000 plus of Valmarts Comrades get to use state aid for health care. Pure socialism.

                            No. I am not for socialism. Especially when corporations use it to subsidize their businesses. Go scream your hatred to Comrade Walton and his family.

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                            • LITE-INN
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 12473

                              #44
                              sam is dead sir tnie and walmart is doing business just any other business

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                              • LITE-INN
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 12473

                                #45
                                Originally posted by t.nie View Post
                                Once again, you go off the deep end with the "socialist commie comrad" stuff when nothing could be further from the truth. I am a freedom loving American Patriot, I see no value in state run, state owned everything that would do nothing to give people the incentive to get ahead. The only person who lays this "commie socialist" BS off on everyone is you. It isn't even remotely true of me, or most of the people you try to antagonize with it.

                                Face facts, T.E. You are the one going off on wild rampages projecting your hate on people, not everyone else on here. Once again you haven't listened to a word that was said, just threw a bunch of your right wing hate filled malice at people.
                                is it hate or truth

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