Fiction and fact from bubstrs almanac

[t.nie]

"Stop" is measured by time. An object travelling in one direction at 100 mph could decelerate then accelerate in exactly the opposite direction with no measurable time you could call "stop" with the right amount of energy/force applied in opposing directions.

Use an electric motor and change the polarity. It doesn't stop, it decelerates then instantly accelerates in the opposite direction, there is no measurable time period you could define as "stopped."

To effectively debate this, you need to define the period of time at which the object in question must not be moving in either direction to qualify as "stopped." If you break that down into small enough increments of time, than any object moving at any speed can be defined as "stopped" during each of those minute, miniscule increments of time. Even if it would not be "stopped" in layman's terms.

[Barbecueboy]

This is great......

What would you call that miniscule period between deceleration and acceleration in opposite direction when the object is doing neither?

Just asking.

[t.nie]

This is great.......

Read my post. I said with the right amount of energy/force applied, the period between deceleration/acceleration in the opposite direction could be non-existent. Objects can change direction, even reverse directions, without stopping, provided the right amount of force is applied. I would venture to say if an atom could survive the blast, and was travelling directly north into the detonation of a nuclear weapon at say, 1 mile per hour, the force of the blast would instantly reverse the atoms direction and propel it southward with no "stop" at all.

There are a lot of ways an object can instantly change/reverse direction without stopping, dependent on the size of the object and the force applied.

[Bubstr]

Oh contrare mon frere.......you said your self that the motion would stop.

And you are the final word in these things aren't you???? It MUST be true.

There are other examples available ( that are not hypothetical) wherein my example of straight ( level) forward can move to straight ( level) backwards on earth using the maintainable parameters......not too many, but there are a few out there.

None of which can be done without stopping between change of motion.
Your a smart man.....you will find them.

Ok show me these few examples. If they have mass, they transfer weight in a direction change, creating movement in the real world. Only in your mind, can these forces be removed.

Even your train on tight tracks will cause those tracks to compress ties and bed a couple inches as it travels and more when transferring weight due to force directional change. You can reinforce those tracks and it will only decrease deflection, not eliminate it. You can't even get a light ray not to move laterally or horizontally when getting reflected.

My agreement was, "In your mind it can happen, it can't happen in the real world. If you wish to prove your theory, prove it. Until then, it is a theory only.

[Barbecueboy]

Ok show me these few examples. If they have mass, they transfer weight in a direction change, creating movement in the real world. Only in your mind, can these forces be removed.

Even your train on tight tracks will cause those tracks to compress ties and bed a couple inches as it travels and more when transferring weight due to force directional change. You can reinforce those tracks and it will only decrease deflection, not eliminate it. You can't even get a light ray not to move laterally or horizontally when getting reflected.

My agreement was, "In your mind it can happen, it can't happen in the real world. If you wish to prove your theory, prove it. Until then, it is a theory only.

It will come to you.....I'm sure you will remember.....even 50 yrs later....lmao

A field full of wannabe scientists being stumped by a stupid redneck with a degree.....this is great!!!!!

[Barbecueboy]

Ok show me these few examples. If they have mass, they transfer weight in a direction change, creating movement in the real world. Only in your mind, can these forces be removed.

Even your train on tight tracks will cause those tracks to compress ties and bed a couple inches as it travels and more when transferring weight due to force directional change. You can reinforce those tracks and it will only decrease deflection, not eliminate it. You can't even get a light ray not to move laterally or horizontally when getting reflected.

My agreement was, "In your mind it can happen, it can't happen in the real world. If you wish to prove your theory, prove it. Until then, it is a theory only.

You said that about happening in my mind and not in the real world, very true.
You also said some other things, one of which was.........It would have to be stopped.


And , I meant to ask......is it theory only because it hasn't yet or won't happen on earth???What do you mean?

Please define real world!!!! Can that be scientifically defined?or only in YOUR mind can it be defined???

MTV television show???? I know about that one already.......

[t.nie]

Ok bubster......
Let's start here so there aren't any thread hijackings or other excuses.

You know the question....

Straight line directional travel going forward and then backwards......can it be done without a stop ???
I.e ....using a train example on a straight set of tracks moving in reverse.....can it go from the motion of reverse to forward without stopping?

And please, no picking pepper out of fly sht.......you know what I am asking.

You have your answer. Lets make it simpler for you.

Your train gets hit by a comet travelling in excess of 1 million miles per hour, weighing 10000 times the train. It changes direction with no stop. End of story. All that matters is the amount of force applied being great enough to cause that change of direction. If the force isn't enough, then the object will "stop" before changing direction. If the force is great enough, it doesn't stop, it just goes the other way.

Of course, it wouldn't survive the impact, but the atoms that made up the train reversed directions. And no, there was no "stop" involved. Don't get hung up on the actual change of direction, it is always possible for objects to change direction without stopping. Even if that change of direction is to the exact opposite direction the object is travelling in.

Just use the force, dude. lol

[Bubstr]

What I'm saying, is this is theory not fact. It could happen if you maintained your qualifiers. This may prove to be impossible to prove. If you do, you will have Barbecueboy's Law. Print and publish it for further scrutiny.

I wouldn't say it's impossible because the impossible has become fact in the past. As it is now. It's theory. I have a theory about creationism. God is a mad scientist that created an atomic test in a galactic test tube, therefore connecting creationism with evolution and the big bang theory. It's as much a fact as any other theory. No one can prove or dispute this theory. It also establishes, there is a god. Can you believe it into being fact? No Can you believe it into being fiction? No There are 2 NO's for Clayton. lol

[Clayton_Wetter]

There is a point of stop no matter if it is one millionth of a second at the point of changing directions!

[Barbecueboy]

You have your answer. Lets make it simpler for you.

Your train gets hit by a comet travelling in excess of 1 million miles per hour, weighing 10000 times the train. It changes direction with no stop. End of story. All that matters is the amount of force applied being great enough to cause that change of direction. If the force isn't enough, then the object will "stop" before changing direction. If the force is great enough, it doesn't stop, it just goes the other way.

Of course, it wouldn't survive the impact, but the atoms that made up the train reversed directions. And no, there was no "stop" involved. Don't get hung up on the actual change of direction, it is always possible for objects to change direction without stopping. Even if that change of direction is to the exact opposite direction the object is travelling in.

Just use the force, dude. lol

And what is that period of time called between it going forward and going backwards after the comet plowed into it???
It is absolutely impossible for it to not come to a stop before it started going backwards.........face it tnie......I am your faaaatha!!!!! And you are incorrect.

I will head back out to the university to do some more research on the subject so that I can provide you folks with some more absolute certain scientific data that you guys can wrap your arms around..until then , watch this stop!!!!

[Barbecueboy]

There is a point of stop no matter if it is one millionth of a second at the point of changing directions!

Yep.......bubster even said so.

Sorry couldn't resist ........

[t.nie]

And what is that period of time called between it going forward and going backwards after the comet plowed into it???
It is absolutely impossible for it to not come to a stop before it started going backwards.........face it tnie......I am your faaaatha!!!!! And you are incorrect.

I will head back out to the university to do some more research on the subject so that I can provide you folks with some more absolute certain scientific data that you guys can wrap your arms around..until then , watch this stop!!!!

When you do, make sure you stop by and speak to someone in the physics lab to set you straight.

I throw an apple straight up. Once it stops going upward, it goes downward. It does not veer left or right. So tell me, when the apple changes direction and reverses itself, does it "for a moment" defy the laws of gravity and "stop?" No, it doesn't. To do so would be levitation which is impossible. So yes, an object can move in one direction and completely reverse its direction without stopping.

Please go talk to someone in your physics lab about this. You will find that its not everyone else who is off track, but you.

[t.nie]

7. Can an object reverse it direction of travel while maintaining a constant acceleration?
Can, give an example. If not, explain why.

Ans. Yes. A ball thrown straight up will rise and then reverse its direction and fall. All the while, it will have a constant acceleration of 10 m/s/s down.

So, would you not agree that an object having constant "acceleration," whether up or down, is in constant motion? Constant acceleration means it does not stop.

Thank you. You can go back to class now.

[Bubstr]

When you do, make sure you stop by and speak to someone in the physics lab to set you straight.

I throw an apple straight up. Once it stops going upward, it goes downward. It does not veer left or right. So tell me, when the apple changes direction and reverses itself, does it "for a moment" defy the laws of gravity and "stop?" No, it doesn't. To do so would be levitation which is impossible. So yes, an object can move in one direction and completely reverse its direction without stopping.

Please go talk to someone in your physics lab about this. You will find that its not everyone else who is off track, but you.

Throw the apple in the air and see it rotate. That is because there are more forces than your throw and gravity affecting it. Also bet it don't land in the same spot you threw it from, unless you compensate trajectory. The apple never stops moving, spinning, arching rising or falling.

Take a claw hammer by the handle and toss it in the air rotating the handle 360 degrees, catching it it the same position you tossed it from. Now notice the business end. The claw and the head have changed positions. This comes from other forces. That hammer will never stop moving nor will the apple or the train or the car, unless you can negate these other forces.

If or when you can negate these forces, you will be able to stop tides, make toilet water fall directly down the drain and you will have the fastest race car on the planet.

[Barbecueboy]

So, would you not agree that an object having constant "acceleration," whether up or down, is in constant motion? Constant acceleration means it does not stop.

Thank you. You can go back to class now.

And as the bubster so eloquently put it about 40 posts ago.....your primal example of the apple toss has lateral( sideways in case your not sure) movement wich would cause the appearance of not stopping.......google that and then cut and paste something a little more relevant to the conversation.........we are waay beyond simple terms of gravity.

Find us an example of straight forward to straight backwards or straight up to straight down(all level of course) with constant acceleration......cut and paste it ( like you did with your rudimentary apple example) and see if you can learn us some more 5th grade schoolin.

Back to study hall my man......Love , The Bus driver