World war 3 set up by the elites

[t.nie]

The law is unconstitutional! Name me ONE thing (besides health insurance now) that the government can FORCE you to buy, for no other reason than being a citizen.

You can't name one thing. Why? Because it's unconstitutional. Familiarize yourself with the commerce clause. The government CANNOT make you buy something. Or at least it couldn't until ol "ignore the law and the Constitution" Obama came along.

I'll give you two, now that you have made the point that Obamacare is a tax... which the Supreme Court stated the "penalty" was "kinda, sorta, like a tax" (but it's not actually a tax in the purest definition because you have to pay the tax no matter what, you cant buy something else and not pay the tax).

Social Security and Medicare. Two things you have to pay for, whether you like it or not.

1) You have to buy Social Security benefits, whether you want to or not. Many would prefer to opt out and purchase their own retirement plans, but alas, you have NO option but to PURCHASE the government run Social Security retirement plan. Now, we do call that a TAX, because you have to purchase it, but the reality is you are buying into the government run retirement plan, of which there are THOUSANDS of privately held and run retirement plan options you could purchase on the free market. If government handled SS the same way they are handling Health Insurance, then you would have the option to not purchase the SS plan and pay a penalty. And as the Supreme Court has stated, a penalty is not a tax, but it is "like" a tax when it comes to health care.

2) Medicare. There are plenty of health care options out there, we don't need to even discuss the myriad of health care coverage available. However, you HAVE to purchase Medicare. Whether you like it or not, you have to pay your contributions to Medicare, the government run health care plan. You don't get the option to opt out of it, you can't say "no thanks, I have my own health care plan, I don't need it." Nope, you work and get a paycheck, whether or not you are self employed or work for someone else, you get to buy Medicare. Now if they decide to run Medicare the way the Health Insurance coverage is working, you may just get that option one day and get to opt out for a different private plan option, or maybe pay a penalty if you decide not to pay into Medicare at all. But its something you have to purchase, government mandated contributions to a government run health care program.

But there are your two things you have to purchase just for being American. A government run retirement plan, and a government run health plan, whether you want it or not. And in both cases, you could purchase either on the open market instead, but in both cases, you HAVE to purchase the government version of it. Just for being born in the good old USA.

Now, if you really want to expand on your idea that government shouldn't force you to buy anything you don't want to pay for, then go fish without a license and get fined, go drive without a license and get fined, go build a new house without permits and get fined. Of course, all of those things are optional, but if you want to live in America and do them, then guess what? You pay the government for the privilege, or pay the fine for doing it illegally.

Just like health insurance. You can purchase it, or pay a penalty for not purchasing it. But if you want to live in America, then pony up, because everyone gets sick at some point, there isn't a single person alive who hasn't needed health care, and as such, everyone should be paying something. No more free lunches.

[skids]

I'll give you two, now that you have made the point that Obamacare is a tax... which the Supreme Court stated the "penalty" was "kinda, sorta, like a tax" (but it's not actually a tax in the purest definition because you have to pay the tax no matter what, you cant buy something else and not pay the tax) if you didn't purchase coverage on the exchanges....

Social Security and Medicare. Two things you have to pay for, whether you like it or not.

1) You have to buy Social Security benefits, whether you want to or not. Many would prefer to opt out and purchase their own retirement plans, but alas, you have NO option but to PURCHASE the government run Social Security retirement plan. Now, we do call that a TAX, because you have to purchase it, but the reality is you are buying into the government run retirement plan, of which there are THOUSANDS of privately held and run retirement plan options you could purchase on the free market. If government handled SS the same way they are handling Health Insurance, then you would have the option to not purchase the SS plan and pay a penalty. And as the Supreme Court has stated, a penalty is not a tax, but it is "like" a tax when it comes to health care.

2) Medicare. There are plenty of health care options out there, we don't need to even discuss the myriad of health care coverage available. However, you HAVE to purchase Medicare. Whether you like it or not, you have to pay your contributions to Medicare, the government run health care plan. You don't get the option to opt out of it, you can't say "no thanks, I have my own health care plan, I don't need it." Nope, you work and get a paycheck, whether or not you are self employed or work for someone else, you get to buy Medicare. Now if they decide to run Medicare the way the Health Insurance coverage is working, you may just get that option one day and get to opt out for a different private plan option, or maybe pay a penalty if you decide not to pay into Medicare at all. But its something you have to purchase, government mandated contributions to a government run health care program.

Now, if you really want to expand on your idea that government shouldn't force you to buy anything you don't want to pay for, then go fish without a license and get fined, go drive without a license and get fined, go build a new house without permits and get fined. Of course, all of those things are optional, but if you want to live in America and do them, then guess what? You pay the government for the privilege, or pay the fine for doing it illegally.

Again, you miss the point totally. Your examples are TAXES. They do not require you to PURCHASE something. What exactly do you OWN with Medicare and SS? You pay it to the government. Obamacare requires you to buy something (an insurance policy) from a private entity (insurance company) or be penalized. Of that, you cannot cite another example. Why? Because it is unconstitutional!

The fact that you can't (or rather choose not to) see the difference speaks volumes.

[t.nie]

Again, you miss the point totally. Your examples are TAXES. They do not require you to PURCHASE something. What exactly do you OWN with Medicare and SS? You pay it to the government. Obamacare requires you to buy something (an insurance policy) from a private entity (insurance company) or be penalized. Of that, you cannot cite another example. Why? Because it is unconstitutional!

The fact that you can't (or rather choose not to) see the difference speaks volumes.

I'd say the fact that you don't grasp the idea that you purchase health care with your medicare contributions or that you are purchasing a retirement plan with SS speaks volumes.

You do get that Medicare is a health care plan, right? And Social Security is a retirement plan, right? I mean, you do understand what the transaction is, don't you? Government demands payment for SS and Medicare, and SS is a retirement plan and Medicare is a health care plan, right? I mean, you do understand that you are actually "purchasing" something when you make your contributions, don't you? Or is that concept just too hard for you to grasp?

Just like every other thing you have to pay for, you are effectively "buying" something whether you want to or not when government takes your money. I wouldn't think that was a difficult concept to grasp.

See this is how it works. You PAY the government what it demands for Social Security. Then when you retire, or reach the required age, you get money back from it. Just like a 401k, or an annuity... you pay for it, then it pays you.... its called a financial transaction... you pay in to your retirement, then you get money back when you retire.... that's what you are buying..

Then with M E D I C A R E you PAY for health care, and then when you need it you get to go to a doctor... so what you purchase with your Medicare contributions is actually this thing called health care....

Wow. What a concept. Government MAKES you pay for it, whether you want it or not.... But government does not make you buy a specific health insurance plan under the ACA, they just stipulate that you can be fined much less than the premium amount if you don't by health insurance. But its YOUR CHOICE what you do... no one takes the money out of your check to pay for health insurance for you... its your freedom to choose.

[skids]

I'd say the fact that you don't grasp the idea that you purchase health care with your medicare contributions or that you are purchasing a retirement plan with SS speaks volumes.

You do get that Medicare is a health care plan, right? And Social Security is a retirement plan, right? I mean, you do understand what the transaction is, don't you? Government demands payment for SS and Medicare, and SS is a retirement plan and Medicare is a health care plan, right? I mean, you do understand that you are actually "purchasing" something when you make your contributions, don't you? Or is that concept just too hard for you to grasp?

Just like every other thing you have to pay for, you are effectively "buying" something whether you want to or not when government takes your money. I wouldn't think that was a difficult concept to grasp.

See this is how it works. You PAY the government what it demands for Social Security. Then when you retire, or reach the required age, you get money back from it. Just like a 401k, or an annuity... you pay for it, then it pays you.... its called a financial transaction... you pay in to your retirement, then you get money back when you retire.... that's what you are buying..

Then with M E D I C A R E you PAY for health care, and then when you need it you get to go to a doctor... so what you purchase with your Medicare contributions is actually this thing called health care....

Wow. What a concept. Government MAKES you pay for it, whether you want it or not.... But government does not make you buy a specific health insurance plan under the ACA, they just stipulate that you can be fined much less than the premium amount if you don't by health insurance. But its YOUR CHOICE what you do... no one takes the money out of your check to pay for health insurance for you... its your freedom to choose.

Your examples are being paid TO THE GOVERNMENT!

Obamacare MANDATES that you buy insurance FROM A PRIVATE ENTITY! That's why it's called an individual MANDATE!

[Clayton_Wetter]

I have a problem putting Israel's needs before our own.

And their spoiled brat attitude towards the US.

r-e-s-p-e-c-t

They are bad. Not good. Mossad is one of the largest terrorist groups.


Notice during the government shutdown no one is talking about cutting the billions we give Israel every year for weapons. Egypt too.


Only reason we would 'all go down' is if Israel used the nuclear weapons they are not supposed to have.

Not supposed to have????? They would not be there if not for having them. And when did they ever attack a nation other then self defense reasons?

[t.nie]

Your examples are being paid TO THE GOVERNMENT!

Obamacare MANDATES that you buy insurance FROM A PRIVATE ENTITY! That's why it's called an individual MANDATE!

Wait..... hold on a minute.... here I was totally convinced that Obamacare was the government taking over health care.... now you're saying all it does is make you get health insurance from a private insurer?

My word. We have been LIED to!!!!!!

[Bubstr]

Wait..... hold on a minute.... here I was totally convinced that Obamacare was the government taking over health care.... now you're saying all it does is make you get health insurance from a private insurer?

My word. We have been LIED to!!!!!!

t.nie, I like your sense of humor. LOL

[Clayton_Wetter]

Oh please!!!!!!!!!!

[balljoint_]

Are you not familiar with the Bible and it's prophecies?

Roman or King James edition?



Waiting for Obama to come out with his version.

[skids]

Wait..... hold on a minute.... here I was totally convinced that Obamacare was the government taking over health care.... now you're saying all it does is make you get health insurance from a private insurer?

My word. We have been LIED to!!!!!!

Just couldn't get it all in one vote. Make no mistake, that is the goal.

Anytime you want to compare lies. Bring it!

[Clayton_Wetter]

Roman or King James edition?



Waiting for Obama to come out with his version.

But he's a Muslim. lol

[balljoint_]

Hes not a Dr either but whipped out Obamacare pretty quick.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Hes not a Dr either but whipped out Obamacare pretty quick.

They had it wrote before Obummer even got elected. He's probably not even read one page of it. lol