Please explain...

[kidrock]

I would argue with you but I have to go to work now, so I can pay for some Obama supporter's insurance (who won't get out of bed till about noon and then he'll lay on the couch and play his playstation).

Good because, I don't want to argue with you. I don't mind debating but, not into arguing. Hum sounds like Boehner needs to pass a welfare reform bill and put pressure on the Dems. I know you guys said it can't pass the Senate and with that way of thinking why did they pass a bill to defund the ACA knowing all well it was going to shutdown the Government because it would not pass through the Senate. Makes no sense to me.

[kidrock]

House Republicans change the rules to make sure no clean CR would pass. Looks like they wanted the shutdown but, yet we are not suppose to blame them for it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/13/house-republicans-rules-change_n_4095129.html

[skids]

House Republicans change the rules to make sure no clean CR would pass. Looks like they wanted the shutdown but, yet we are not suppose to blame them for it.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4095129.html

I don't think we want to get into a "who's changed the rules/laws the most" debate here. I am confident the liberals would lose in a BIG way.

This, however, does not mean I condone it. I just don't see near the outrage when the Dems. do it.

[mudslinger47]

The way our system was originally set up was to pass each piece of the one at a time....not this whole hog or nothing deal, and I realize the Republicans did it too, that doesn't make it right, its is supposed to go a portion at a time for good debate on each section for a pass or fail vote. That, Mr Kidrock is the reason its the Democrats fault.

[kidrock]

The way our system was originally set up was to pass each piece of the one at a time....not this whole hog or nothing deal, and I realize the Republicans did it too, that doesn't make it right, its is supposed to go a portion at a time for good debate on each section for a pass or fail vote. That, Mr Kidrock is the reason its the Democrats fault.

Why sure it is Mud. If that makes you feel better then why not.

[mudeater18]

Sounds to me you have been listening to the tin foil man to much lol

Do a Google search. You'll find dozens of sites reporting $634 million. I guess all of them must be wrong ! Lol !

[t.nie]

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/10/09/3-million-obamacare-website-may-face-months-glitches-experts-warn/

93 million, according to the right wing propaganda outlet Fake News.

Now "dozens of sites" reporting $634 million. Wow. So some spin master somewhere in the right wing hate machine came up with the wildly ridiculous $634 milllion number, 25 other echo chambers picked it up, and now this dunce believes it.

Gotta hand it to the GOP spin masters, they really know how to baffle and bamboozle the ignorant.

[t.nie]

really now the tea billies are not in charge

Sure they are.; Nothing can get out of the House without the Tea Billies backing it. Boehner is a lap dog, they throw the stick and he fetches.

What this third party splitting the Republicans has done is revealed the Achille's Heel of our political system. Big money figured out they weren't going to win all three, White House, Senate and House. So they sat back and said hey, since we can't get more of our agenda implemented, what we need to do is just make sure the gains we have made don't get lost when the people in America wake up and realize we are just screwing them for our benefit. All we need is just a good foothold in the majority of the House or Senate and we can scrap any moves to change things against us.

Hello, Tea Party. Perfect schills for the big money agenda. Lots of stupid people we can dupe into following that around like good little sheep, just tell em its about reducing their taxes and make them think government is THE problem in their lives, and not us big business people buying off Republicans. Get just enough Tea Billies voted in, threaten everyone in the Republican party with a primary Tea Billy challenger and they will all jump in line like the good little boys we pay them to be.

Gotta hand it to em, it is working so far. But extremists only live so long in Washington, then they wear out their welcome.

[t.nie]

Think the Dems haven't been down this road? Look back at the ridiculous state of affairs back in the late 60s when Dems ran off the rails with the Unions. Took em 20 years to get the nasty smell of the Far left extreme agenda off of them, and people like Terry and Freddy still haven't figured out that a modern Democrat is pretty much an 80s Republican.

It's just the Republicans turn to overheat, run off the rails and implode. Give it 10-15 years and the Dems may very well be hijacked by an extreme movement again as well.

[LITE-INN]

I can tell you one thing no one is talking about right now that is a major problem with it, and that's the "sticker shock" when you see the premiums. I went on the Kaiser foundation site and ran a test of say someone making $15 an hour at work with no insurance, spouse making $7.50 an hour for a combined yearly income of roughly $46800.00 with one kid. Monthly premium was $299.00 a month for a silver plan with the government subsidy. I just thought that was going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, especially when there would still be out of pocket expenses and a deductible on it.But me doing that just illustrates another point. I don't just listen to the news and "parrot" the talking points like the right wingers on here do (Freddy "Lite Inn" can't even manage a single original coherent thought, he just cuts and pastes entire pieces from right wing propaganda sites for his posts half the time..pathetic). I go out and do my own research and see for myself what I think of things. And my thoughts on that were that it was a little pricey, and probably more than what many would want to pay, however on the other hand it at least was health insurance for someone with none, and if you have a serious condition or your spouse/child had a serious illness that required regular medical care, that was probably the best thing since sliced bread. So it depends on your personal situation. For someone with no health issues, it was an added expense. For someone with major health issues, it was probably a great deal, as compared to the alternative of being denied due to preexisting conditions or premiums way way higher than that because of your health issues.

And we know your eyes are brown. Plus put links of people they actually been there done that you just hate Conservatives

[LITE-INN]

Think the Dems haven't been down this road? Look back at the ridiculous state of affairs back in the late 60s when Dems ran off the rails with the Unions. Took em 20 years to get the nasty smell of the Far left extreme agenda off of them, and people like Terry and Freddy still haven't figured out that a modern Democrat is pretty much an 80s Republican.It's just the Republicans turn to overheat, run off the rails and implode. Give it 10-15 years and the Dems may very well be hijacked by an extreme movement again as well.

Just like liberal being controlled by the. Past

[kidrock]

Do a Google search. You'll find dozens of sites reporting $634 million. I guess all of them must be wrong ! Lol !

Ok let me get this straight. Now I'm not suppose to believe the most believable network on tv Fox news. So then they don't always tell the truth or they always do tell the truth? Or is the right wing spin masters at again like T.nie says. lol

[Clayton_Wetter]

Think the Dems haven't been down this road? Look back at the ridiculous state of affairs back in the late 60s when Dems ran off the rails with the Unions. Took em 20 years to get the nasty smell of the Far left extreme agenda off of them, and people like Terry and Freddy still haven't figured out that a modern Democrat is pretty much an 80s Republican.

It's just the Republicans turn to overheat, run off the rails and implode. Give it 10-15 years and the Dems may very well be hijacked by an extreme movement again as well.

Like all other human beings, the modern liberal reveals his true
character, including his madness, in what he values and devalues, in
what he articulates with passion. Of special interest, however, are
the many values about which the modern liberal mind is not passionate:

His agenda does not insist that the individual is the ultimate
economic, social and political unit;

It does not idealize individual liberty and the structure of law and
order essential to it;

It does not defend the basic rights of property and contract;

It does not aspire to ideals of authentic autonomy and mutuality;

It does not preach an ethic of self-reliance and self-determination;

It does not praise courage, forbearance or resilience;

it does not celebrate the ethics of consent or the blessings of
voluntary cooperation.

It does not advocate moral rectitude or understand the critical role
of morality in human relating.

The liberal agenda does not comprehend an identity of competence,
appreciate its importance, or analyze the developmental conditions
and social institutions that promote its achievement.

The liberal agenda does not understand or recognize personal
sovereignty or impose strict limits on coercion by the state.

It does not celebrate the genuine altruism of private charity.

It does not learn history’s lessons on the evils of collectivism.

What the liberal mind is passionate about is a world filled with
pity, sorrow, neediness, misfortune, poverty, suspicion, mistrust,
anger, exploitation, discrimination, victimization, alienation and
injustice.

Those who occupy this world are “workers,” “minorities,” “the little
guy,” “women,” and the “unemployed.”

They are poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed,
disenfranchised, exploited and victimized. They bear no
responsibility for their problems.

None of their agonies are attributable to faults or failings of their
own: not to poor choices, bad habits, faulty judgment, wishful thinking,
lack of ambition, low frustration tolerance, mental illness or
defects in character.

None of the victims’ plight is caused by failure to plan for the
future or learn from experience.

Instead, the “root causes” of all this pain lie in faulty social
conditions: poverty, disease, war, ignorance, unemployment, racial prejudice, ethnic and gender discrimination, modern technology, capitalism,
globalization and imperialism.

In the radical liberal mind, this suffering is inflicted on the
innocent by various predators and persecutors: “Big Business,” “Big Corporations,” “greedy capitalists,” U.S. Imperialists,” “the oppressors,” “the rich,” “the wealthy,” “the powerful” and “the selfish.”

The liberal cure for this endless malaise is a very large
authoritarian government that regulates and manages society through a
cradle to grave agenda of redistributive caretaking.

It is a government everywhere doing everything for everyone.

The liberal motto is “In Government We Trust.”

To rescue the people from their troubled lives, the agenda recommends
denial of personal responsibility, encourages self-pity and other-
pity, fosters government dependency, promotes sexual indulgence,
rationalizes violence, excuses financial obligation, justifies theft,
ignores rudeness, prescribes complaining and blaming, denigrates
marriage and the family, legalizes all abortion, defies religious and
social tradition, declares inequality unjust, and rebels against the
duties of citizenship.

Through multiple entitlements to unearned goods, services and social
status, the liberal politician promises to ensure everyone’s material
welfare, provide for everyone’s healthcare, protect everyone’s self-
esteem, correct everyone’s social and political disadvantage, educate
every citizen, and eliminate all class distinctions.

With liberal intellectuals sharing the glory, the liberal politician
is the hero in this melodrama. He takes credit for providing his
constituents with whatever they want or need even though he has not
produced by his own effort any of the goods, services or status
transferred to them but has instead taken them from others by force.

It should be apparent by now that these social policies and the
passions that drive them contradict all that is rational in human
relating, and they are therefore irrational in themselves. But the
faulty conceptions that lie behind these passions cannot be viewed as
mere cognitive slippage. The degree of modern liberalism’s
irrationality far exceeds any misunderstanding that can be attributed
to faulty fact gathering or logical error. Indeed, under careful
scrutiny, liberalism’s distortions of the normal ability to reason
can only be understood as the product of psychopathology. So
extravagant are the patterns of thinking, emoting, behaving and
relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless
protests and demands become understandable only as disorders of the
psyche. The modern liberal mind, its distorted perceptions and its
destructive agenda are the product of disturbed personalities.

As is the case in all personality disturbance, defects of this type
represent serious failures in development processes. The nature of
these failures is detailed below. Among their consequences are the
liberal mind’s relentless efforts to misrepresent human nature and to
deny certain indispensable requirements for human relating. In his
efforts to construct a grand collectivist utopia—to live what Jacques
Barzun has called “the unconditioned life” in which “everybody should
be safe and at ease in a hundred ways”—the radical liberal attempts
to actualize in the real world an idealized fiction that will
mitigate all hardship and heal all wounds. (Barzun 2000). He acts out
this fiction, essentially a Marxist morality play, in various
theaters of human relatedness, most often on the world’s economic,
social and political stages. But the play repeatedly folds. Over the
course of the Twentieth Century, the radical liberal’s attempts to
create a brave new socialist world have invariably failed. At the
dawn of the Twenty-first Century his attempts continue to fail in the
stagnant economies, moral decay and social turmoil now widespread in
Europe. An increasingly bankrupt welfare society is putting the U.S.
on track for the same fate if liberalism is not cured there. Because
the liberal agenda’s principles violate the rules of ordered liberty,
his most determined efforts to realize its visionary fantasies must
inevitably fall short. Yet, despite all the evidence against it, the
modern liberal mind believes his agenda is good social science. It
is, in fact, bad science fiction. He persists in this agenda despite
its madness.

Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr, MD is the author of The Liberal Mind: The
Psychological Causes of Political Madness. He received his medical
and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago and served for
two years as a psychiatrist in the United States Army. He is
currently in private practice in the Chicago area.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Tnie, Sit down and read about yourself. Every last word!!!

[kidrock]

Tnie, Sit down and read about yourself. Every last word!!!

T.nie you better listen to Daddy here he sounds mad and he wants a essay when your done lol.