Please explain...

[LITE-INN]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4057939.html the important stuff

[t.nie]

Since you seem to be the designated Obama defender here t.nie, how about explaining how raising the debt ceiling was "irresponsible" and "the wrong thing to do" when Obama was a Senator, but now it's "the responsible thing to do" and "must be done." Tell me that t.nie, WITHOUT skirting the question and bringing up something else.

After you answer that one (which I know you can't do without hurling some insults or name calling and avoiding the question), you also never answered my question as to why Obama can delay implementation of the Obamacare "law" for his chosen few, but it's unreasonable for the republicans to think that a delay should be given to everyone.

Just a couple straight forward answers would be appreciated.

1

-Obama: "I think that it's important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a president. When you're a senator, traditionally what's happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit - for the United States by a trillion dollars. As president, you start realizing, you know what, we, we can't play around with this stuff. This is the full faith and credit of the United States. And so that was just an example of a new senator making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I'm the first one to acknowledge it."

Obama's not unique in using the debt ceiling vote for partisan posturing. But on the Flip-O-Meter, he still earns a Full Flop.

So even Obama agrees with you that he was wrong about the debt ceiling vote when he was a Senator.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ng-debt-limit/

2 The delay of implementing the individual mandate applies to employers with over 50 employees. The delay is to allow employers additional time to ensure their health care plans meet the standards of the ACA, and in cases where employers do not offer insurance at all, to set up health plans for their employees.

My wife works for an employer that employs 75 people or so. Believe me, this is not a big business. It's not a "corporate crony" of the Obama administration. Obama, his administration, Congress, state governor, or state congress doesn't even know who they are. Hardly what you call influential in politics. Just a small distributor tucked away in the Midwest, one of many many small businesses that are subject to the ACA.

Chosen few? LOL Hardly! You are talking about just about every business in America!

One thing I do know though, is they offer health insurance. And it takes literally months and months each year to research all available plans, check all the options, calculate all the costs to offer the coverage, figure out how much the employer contribution will be for all the different plans, calculate the health needs of the employees, compare and contrast all the plans that ultimately will boil down to 1 plan that hopefully is the best plan with best value for dollar for both employer and 75 employees.

In short, it is a huge undertaking, time consuming, number crunching, getting with the lawyers and accountants to run it by them so the very best option is chosen for everyone. And that's under the existing system, not the ACA.

Unless you have seen it or been witness to it, you have really no idea what businesses go through picking health plans for employees. And they pretty much have to do this almost every year, or close to it, when premiums, deductibles and coverage changes under their existing plan. Rarely does the business keep the same plan for more than 2 years, they simply cannot afford to not keep shopping around because it is such a huge chunk of money and it has to be properly investigated and researched and all the numbers crunched because if you don't, your employees don't get the best deal for their money, and you might end up costing your business a LOT of money too and not get the best deal.

Then throw a whole new set of regulations in on this and of course, that adds to the man hours and legal consultations to make sure what you do is in compliance. The bad thing is it takes a lot of hours away from running your business to do it on the first go round. The good news is, you now have another year to get it done (something every business owner BAR NONE appreciates even if they would prefer to not have to do it at all) and once you have been through it once, the market should stay fairly stable and you wont have to put as much time or effort into picking your health insurance plan for your employees in the future. It will pretty much stay the same.

Why should it not be delayed a year for everyone? Please. How hard is it to pick a plan for just you. Really. Delay it a year so you can "think over all the options?" Really? You need a year? I had about 5 plans to pick from, I looked at all of them, spent a few hours doing some research and came to a conclusion. Why should I be given a YEAR to do that?

Horses for courses. It makes sense to allow businesses additional time, it could cost them a lot if they don't do it right. For an individual, however, it's not a massive undertaking. No reason at all why people individually should be granted a year to get it done. You have 3 months now, to make a decision on health care for one person or your family. Plenty of time.

By the way, you're welcome.

[DirtRacer2014]

I am new on here. But need to post something for the one,s on here that seem to have a problem with reality. The President continues to talk about our government's failures as if he is not its Chief Executive. We have reached a new low in leadership where our government has disturbingly locked our veterans out of their memorials while allowing an immigration rally on the National Mall which fits their agenda. Even worse, in conjunction with their Senate allies, they have refused to pay death benefits for our fallen soldiers while still collecting salaries themselves and passionately fighting to hold on to their #Obamacare exemption. I am eternally grateful for having been born here, in this country and at this time. Our prosperity is not an accident, but it will be a memory if we don't change course in this next election. It's our country, let's take it back.

[DirtRacer2014]

A reality check on inequality: The President and his congressional allies speak about growing economic inequality as if they have had no role in creating record levels of it. Economic inequality under the Obama administration is now the worst it has been since the late 1920's, middle class incomes are shrinking dramatically and, incredibly, they continue to indict the country as a whole for it. Whether it is blaming successful business owners, capitalism or the "greed" of the country, they will do anything to deflect the blame from themselves. Here is the uncomfortable truth. The administration's support of unprecedented levels of government spending (the largest recorded debt and annual deficits in American history) has encouraged the Federal Reserve to engage in a massive printing press operation (known as Quantitative Easing) which has enriched wealthy investors and those with access to complicated financial instruments. The catch is that this unprecedented printing operation has destroyed the value of your salary. Think about it, you have to work every day to obtain dollars but the administration just prints their own, no sweat required. In addition, Obamacare's mounds of red tape have created requirements for small businesses hiring 50 or more employees, which they cannot afford. #Obamacare red tape has cost thousands their jobs as middle-class Americans are being laid-off to move small businesses under the 50 employee regulation. This has benefited major corporations as their smaller competitors are put in an uncompetitive position where they must fire workers and are prevented from growing. The President and his congressional allies are manipulating you. They are cynically blaming the country for their failures in an attempt to distract you. They are hoping that the information I have given you will remain hidden underneath their flowery soundbites while they continue to devastate your chances at a better tomorrow. I will always champion the values of working Americans because I am intimately familiar with the fatigue of hard day's work and the checkbook math that never seems to easily add up.

[t.nie]

Know what, Newbie? People with minds of their own don't cut and past entire swaths of other people's writings. All that displays is another right winger without the ability to think, but only the ability to follow.

And if you're going to do that, at least have the courtesy of posting the link to where you got it from, so we can see who does your thinking for you.

[DirtRacer2014]

I would expect nothing less from a person as narrow minded as your self Mr t.nie. With all do respect. Please continue to drink the cool-aid

[Bubstr]

A reality check on inequality: The President and his congressional allies speak about growing economic inequality as if they have had no role in creating record levels of it. Economic inequality under the Obama administration is now the worst it has been since the late 1920's, middle class incomes are shrinking dramatically and, incredibly, they continue to indict the country as a whole for it. Whether it is blaming successful business owners, capitalism or the "greed" of the country, they will do anything to deflect the blame from themselves. Here is the uncomfortable truth. The administration's support of unprecedented levels of government spending (the largest recorded debt and annual deficits in American history) has encouraged the Federal Reserve to engage in a massive printing press operation (known as Quantitative Easing) which has enriched wealthy investors and those with access to complicated financial instruments. The catch is that this unprecedented printing operation has destroyed the value of your salary. Think about it, you have to work every day to obtain dollars but the administration just prints their own, no sweat required. In addition, Obamacare's mounds of red tape have created requirements for small businesses hiring 50 or more employees, which they cannot afford. #Obamacare red tape has cost thousands their jobs as middle-class Americans are being laid-off to move small businesses under the 50 employee regulation. This has benefited major corporations as their smaller competitors are put in an uncompetitive position where they must fire workers and are prevented from growing. The President and his congressional allies are manipulating you. They are cynically blaming the country for their failures in an attempt to distract you. They are hoping that the information I have given you will remain hidden underneath their flowery soundbites while they continue to devastate your chances at a better tomorrow. I will always champion the values of working Americans because I am intimately familiar with the fatigue of hard day's work and the checkbook math that never seems to easily add up.

There is some truth in your post. The government has set the rules that have been destroying the middle class. You can blame this on government, but government does the bidding of their benefactors, ( lobbies and campaign contributors). The truth is, the middle class has no lobby and can't afford the contributions and the only lobbies that served their interests, unions and socialists, have been villianised.

Actually the demise of the middle class started in the 70s. The set up for the demise started in the 50s. In the 50s Socialism was linked to Communism and was linked to Russia. Actually Russia had neither. In the 70s the unions where under attack. Yes there where things wrong with both of these, but they where the only lobby the middle class working man had. They are why there is or was a middle class. We have lost any political power we ever had and we can see the results. The bottom line is we have no real say in government today.

[skids]

1So even Obama agrees with you that he was wrong about the debt ceiling vote when he was a Senator.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ng-debt-limit/

Just shows me Obama admits he has a habit of doing what is politically advantageous over what is good for the country. Because he admits it (once), does not change the fact he has continued to do so on countless occasions. Thankfully the American people are beginning to wise up. His approval rating is down to 37%.

2 The delay of implementing the individual mandate applies to employers with over 50 employees. The delay is to allow employers additional time to ensure their health care plans meet the standards of the ACA, and in cases where employers do not offer insurance at all, to set up health plans for their employees.

My wife works for an employer that employs 75 people or so. Believe me, this is not a big business. It's not a "corporate crony" of the Obama administration. Obama, his administration, Congress, state governor, or state congress doesn't even know who they are. Hardly what you call influential in politics. Just a small distributor tucked away in the Midwest, one of many many small businesses that are subject to the ACA.

Chosen few? LOL Hardly! You are talking about just about every business in America!

One thing I do know though, is they offer health insurance. And it takes literally months and months each year to research all available plans, check all the options, calculate all the costs to offer the coverage, figure out how much the employer contribution will be for all the different plans, calculate the health needs of the employees, compare and contrast all the plans that ultimately will boil down to 1 plan that hopefully is the best plan with best value for dollar for both employer and 75 employees.

In short, it is a huge undertaking, time consuming, number crunching, getting with the lawyers and accountants to run it by them so the very best option is chosen for everyone. And that's under the existing system, not the ACA.

Unless you have seen it or been witness to it, you have really no idea what businesses go through picking health plans for employees. And they pretty much have to do this almost every year, or close to it, when premiums, deductibles and coverage changes under their existing plan. Rarely does the business keep the same plan for more than 2 years, they simply cannot afford to not keep shopping around because it is such a huge chunk of money and it has to be properly investigated and researched and all the numbers crunched because if you don't, your employees don't get the best deal for their money, and you might end up costing your business a LOT of money too and not get the best deal.

Then throw a whole new set of regulations in on this and of course, that adds to the man hours and legal consultations to make sure what you do is in compliance. The bad thing is it takes a lot of hours away from running your business to do it on the first go round. The good news is, you now have another year to get it done (something every business owner BAR NONE appreciates even if they would prefer to not have to do it at all) and once you have been through it once, the market should stay fairly stable and you wont have to put as much time or effort into picking your health insurance plan for your employees in the future. It will pretty much stay the same.

PPACA has been "the law of the land" since 2010. I believe that's given them roughly 3 YEARS to get it ready. Another example of the administration being clueless about what a cumbersome ridiculous law this is.

Why should it not be delayed a year for everyone?

One reason is that it is quite obviously not ready to be rolled out. Do you refuse to read the articles and hear the stories of the website being a total disaster? People who try cant sign up if they wanted to.

Please. How hard is it to pick a plan for just you. Really. Delay it a year so you can "think over all the options?" Really? You need a year? I had about 5 plans to pick from, I looked at all of them, spent a few hours doing some research and came to a conclusion. Why should I be given a YEAR to do that?

Because the "law" should be implemented EQUALLY to ALL Americans. Why should individuals and small business be afflicted with the regulations of the law a year longer than "big business"? It has NOTHING to do with the amount of time and money you claim. It has EVERYTHING to do with fairness.

Horses for courses. It makes sense to allow businesses additional time, it could cost them a lot if they don't do it right.

It's going to cost them a lot of money anyway. You and the other libs just can't admit it.

For an individual, however, it's not a massive undertaking. No reason at all why people individually should be granted a year to get it done. You have 3 months now, to make a decision on health care for one person or your family. Plenty of time.

By the way, you're welcome.

Again, time "to get it done" is not the issue. It's inflicting the law on some but waiting to inflict it on others.


Here's a little more light on the subject of the Congressional subsidies you make sound like a simple "wage replacement." It, like so many other moves, was not done legally by Obama.

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/08/07/administration-disregards-the-law-and-gives-special-obamacare-deal-to-congress/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/355176/congresss-obamacare-waiver-michael-f-cannon

[DirtRacer2014]

President Obama is denying death benefits to families of our fallen military heroes due to the government shutdown. http://fxn.ws/1fgHzAi " He said he wanted to make it as painful as possible. Isn't that what every good leader would do???

[skids]

President Obama is denying death benefits to families of our fallen military heroes due to the government shutdown. http://fxn.ws/1fgHzAi " He said he wanted to make it as painful as possible. Isn't that what every good leader would do???

He's addressing that today. Playing Mr. Innocent, saying he "just was informed" about this and is taking steps to rectify it. I call BS on BO.

[mudslinger47]

Tnie is wrong, most of the time, the link was valid, the vote in earnest. All liberals can do is call names. I won't wait for an apology, coming from a liberal it would mean virtually nothing....

[mudslinger47]

Read on an AP site obummers approval rating at 37%. Only one point above "W"'s worst. LOL what a shlub.....

[kidrock]

Read on an AP site obummers approval rating at 37%. Only one point above "W"'s worst. LOL what a shlub.....

I know pretty bad and what about your beloved Republicans do you know what their rating is? what about Congress as a whole?

[mudeater18]

So even Obama agrees with you that he was wrong about the debt ceiling vote when he was a Senator.

Well then He's wrong again !
Because He was "right" when he was a Senator, and He's "wrong" now.
Just like his stance on homosexuality and gay marriage. He was for it, then against it, and now he's for it again. Whatever it takes to get the votes.

[kidrock]

Well then He's wrong again !
Because He was "right" when he was a Senator, and He's "wrong" now.
Just like his stance on homosexuality and gay marriage. He was for it, then against it , and now he's for it again. Whatever it takes to get the votes.

Yep it's all about getting reelected and not about governing pretty evident isn't it. They all do it that's what's wrong.