Prolly why I detest unions.....

[15D]

I'm going to ask you again, where are the inaccuracies in the videos that I posted links to. It's not really difficult considering you're the one throwing flames about "Liberalviewer" being funded by George Soros. While you're at it please find me the financials linking "Liberalviewer" to Soros.

All the video was that I watched was a guy with a voice over second guessing the Fox Hosts. He provided no facts to support his claims. In fact two of his claims were refuted by the very next sentence of the Host as I was watching.

If this is what you proffer as evidence you aren't going to change anybody's mind. At best you will reinforce the notion that Fox gets it right most of the time.

[kidrock]

So, when did China relocate to the Carolina's?

Im not talking about the companies that have their companies here. I'm talking about the ones that use cheap slave labor in china. Pretty sickening isn't it.

[dirtisforracin]

Alot of Unions have to take the blame as well. What auto maker fought the unions the hardest, is the one that did not require a Bailout? Unions have done great things, but when unions tell the company how they are to run the company problems started. You cant run a company when retired employees are being paid more then those actually working. Why was it a car cost 5-6 grand, and jump to 20 grand car in 1-2 yrs?
All the politicans in DC are to blame as well. Free trade is great when it works both ways. China puts large tariffs on our goods to China, we should do the same with there products. China regulations are much less restrictive then here in America. I believe the EPA is one of the largest job killers in America, because of the regulations they impose.

[TeamGRT12x]

All the video was that I watched was a guy with a voice over second guessing the Fox Hosts. He provided no facts to support his claims. In fact two of his claims were refuted by the very next sentence of the Host as I was watching.

If this is what you proffer as evidence you aren't going to change anybody's mind. At best you will reinforce the notion that Fox gets it right most of the time.

Exactly what did Fox "get right" with the Obituary piece that blatantly trashed the author?

[Clayton_Wetter]

Some liberal blogger with a Facebook account is where you come up with this nonsense? So what if he is still able to post this garbage on the internet. So that radicals can get together for a laugh and become even more stupid. His Youtube videos and Facebook crap are utter garbage and NOT worth viewing or responding too!! It only makes senses that he has gotten to resume his trash after Obummer and the left weaseled into power after 2007.


YouTube purges LiberalViewer's account

By Sam McManis - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PST Thursday, February 8, 2007

One day, you are a minor YouTube celebrity with more than 1,850 subscribers to your personal channel and nearly 1 million viewings of your videos logged.

The next day -- poof! -- it's as if you never existed.

Such is the fate of Allen Asch, a Sacramento man who went by the nom de Web of LiberalViewer. When Viacom last week demanded that YouTube, the popular online video site, remove more than 100,000 videos containing unauthorized content, it meant that some of the LiberalViewer's work soon would be purged from the site.

But Asch was surprised to find this week that his entire YouTube account has been expunged. Only about one-third of Asch's 60 uploads to YouTube included Viacom snippets, but all trace of his work -- and his channel -- was erased.

"While I never set out to gain the popularity I have, I've invested hundreds of hours of my time, created a huge network of friends and subscribers, and gotten links to my videos from Web sites all over the world," Asch says. "None of those links work now, and I've lost access to the entire network."

For the past seven months, Asch had posted short news analyses, using brief clips from Fox News, CNN and two Viacom-owned shows -- "The Colbert Report" and "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart" -- as jumping-off points for his political musings. Ironically, one of the links to a LiberalViewer posting was on Comedy Central's own Web site.

In November, YouTube took down several of Asch's videos. But during the intervening months, he had posted with nary a response from YouTube or Viacom -- until this week.

A YouTube spokesman said federal law requires that companies terminate the accounts of repeat infringers.

"Our community guidelines ... on the site make it clear that users must own or have permission from copyright holders to post any videos," the YouTube spokesman said. "We take copyright issues very seriously."

Asch, a former public defender in Placer County, is checking into whether his videos could be protected under the "fair use" doctrine -- which gives media the right to run snippets of video to illustrate a news story or commentary. Whether a vlogger such as Asch qualifies as a media entity is up for debate, legal experts say.

Asch, apparently, is not alone in seeing non-infringed work expunged during the recent Viacom purging. For example, a user named Matt Hawes had a video parody of MTV's "The Real World" taken down, even though it was labeled as parody and did not use footage or logos from the Viacom-owned show.

As part of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, YouTube is required to take down material when asked by the copyright holder. By doing so, YouTube absolves itself from liability for content posted by its users.

But Asch worries that Viacom and YouTube have "cast too wide a net without making the legally required good-faith effort to make sure (content taken down) is actually infringing material."

YouTube's "terms of use" agreement states that an account can be suspended if any copyright violations are found.

[15D]

Exactly what did Fox "get right" with the Obituary piece that blatantly trashed the author?

Fox claimed that he was sympathetic to progressive politics. Here a passage from Wikipedia to affirm that stance:

Politics

Vonnegut was deeply influenced by early Socialist labor leaders, especially Indiana natives Powers Hapgood and Eugene V. Debs, and he frequently quoted them in his work. He named characters after both Debs (Eugene Debs Hartke in Hocus Pocus and Eugene Debs Metzger in Deadeye (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)) and Russian Communist leader Leon Trotsky (Leon Trotsky Trout in Galápagos). He was a lifetime member of the American Civil Liberties Union and was featured in a print advertisement for them.

Now you show me something that Fox got wrong.

[racin6mod]

Alot of Unions have to take the blame as well. What auto maker fought the unions the hardest, is the one that did not require a Bailout? Unions have done great things, but when unions tell the company how they are to run the company problems started. You cant run a company when retired employees are being paid more then those actually working. Why was it a car cost 5-6 grand, and jump to 20 grand car in 1-2 yrs?
All the politicans in DC are to blame as well. Free trade is great when it works both ways. China puts large tariffs on our goods to China, we should do the same with there products. China regulations are much less restrictive then here in America. I believe the EPA is one of the largest job killers in America, because of the regulations they impose.

what auto maker didn't take a bailout loan? and the UAW helped bail them all out so the unions in the auto makers case wasn't all bad. If you think a single auto maker didn't take a bailout loan you are wrong everyone of them got billions even some you've probably never heard of!

[kidrock]

Alot of Unions have to take the blame as well. What auto maker fought the unions the hardest, is the one that did not require a Bailout? Unions have done great things, but when unions tell the company how they are to run the company problems started. You cant run a company when retired employees are being paid more then those actually working. Why was it a car cost 5-6 grand, and jump to 20 grand car in 1-2 yrs?
All the politicans in DC are to blame as well. Free trade is great when it works both ways. China puts large tariffs on our goods to China, we should do the same with there products. China regulations are much less restrictive then here in America. I believe the EPA is one of the largest job killers in America, because of the regulations they impose.

I agree with a lot of what you said and yes the unions do have to take some of the blame but, not all the blame like some on here what us to believe. I believe you are talking about Ford when you say one of the companies that did to take a bailout. I was in favor of the bailout at first but, later changed my mind. I don't think the automobiles industry or even the banks should not have received a bailout. I also agree with you about putting tariffs on china like they do us. I also agree the EPA could possibly loosen some rules but, not to where these companies can harm the environment like what happened in West Virginia.

[racin6mod]

If he is talking about Ford he would be mistaking they got 5.9 billion from the DOE.

[kidrock]

If he is talking about Ford he would be mistaking they got 5.9 billion from the DOE.

I did not know that I will have to look that up.

[racin6mod]

I know but facts are facts no matter how you word it. he11 they sold and refinanced everything, I will say on their behalf the guy they hired from I believe wells fargo saw the crash coming in 06 and got them started on the big sell off and refinancing, Ford was right beside the rest in front of congress asking for help and pulled back near the end to make the side deal with the DOE for a little less than they had asked for but had a much later pay back date.they were not the only ones to take money from the DOE but to say they got NO bailout is wrong.

those that say they love Ford but hate unions should remember if guys like henry Ford wouldn't have beaten their employees or used arm guards to force employees to do things that were unsafe maybe the union idea would have never took hold.

[kidrock]

I know but facts are facts no matter how you word it. he11 they sold and refinanced everything, I will say on their behalf the guy they hired from I believe wells fargo saw the crash coming in 06 and got them started on the big sell off and refinancing, Ford was right beside the rest in front of congress asking for help and pulled back near the end to make the side deal with the DOE for a little less than they had asked for but had a much later pay back date.they were not the only ones to take money from the DOE but to say they got NO bailout is wrong.

those that say they love Ford but hate unions should remember if guys like henry Ford wouldn't have beaten their employees or used arm guards to force employees to do things that were unsafe maybe the union idea would have never took hold.

Yeah I read on Forbes website that says they did received 5.9 million.
Yeah All you need to do is watch the mini series The Men Who Built America to know why the unions were formed.

[TeamGRT12x]

Fox claimed that he was sympathetic to progressive politics. Here a passage from Wikipedia to affirm that stance:

Politics

Vonnegut was deeply influenced by early Socialist labor leaders, especially Indiana natives Powers Hapgood and Eugene V. Debs, and he frequently quoted them in his work. He named characters after both Debs (Eugene Debs Hartke in Hocus Pocus and Eugene Debs Metzger in Deadeye (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)) and Russian Communist leader Leon Trotsky (Leon Trotsky Trout in Galápagos). He was a lifetime member of the American Civil Liberties Union and was featured in a print advertisement for them.

Now you show me something that Fox got wrong.

That's all that Fox was able to get right. I don't think you get the point of that specific video. The "news" anchors then go on to trash the man. So how "right" is that? Because he supports progressive views it's ok to trash the man? The kicker is the end when the anchor says "Since you told your kids not to, I will". How classy is that. Then again, s*it sells.

[TeamGRT12x]

So you're not going to answer the question, just bypass because you can't figure out what to say? At least 15D is able to have a debate without being a total douchebag.

[kidrock]

Yeah 15d and a few others on here will debate with you without getting all immature on you.