Prolly why I detest unions.....

[kidrock]

I'm not against the fair principles of having unions either. But when they begin to get unreasonable and act like they own the company they work for then it's a turnoff. Especially when they become obstructive and violent.

I agree 100% with this post.

[kidrock]

I'm all for private sector employee's organizing if they wish too. If they and management cannot make the business profitable, then they both lose.

No bailouts though, corporate welfare has to come to an end.

I agree with this post.

Corporate welfare and welfare in general needs to be revamped.

[buster83]

clayton these unreasonable acts may have happened in the late 60`s and 70`s but not in todays world to many court injunctions holding them liable for any damage.

[LITE-INN]

when good paying jobs left this country so did our economy. Plain and simple. Give people a good wage and see what happens to our economy. They will spend like crazy if they had it to spend and our economy would turn around real fast.

and why why did they leave ? They were taxed to death

[15D]

Here where I c the problem yes business may hire but, it won't be here. They will hire in third world country with extremely low wages but, before they are going to be able to that they are going to need someone in this country to buy their product and in order for people to do that they are going to need a decent wage in order to have the extra money to spend.

Here where I c the other problem in order for any President to get things done anymore they are going to need to control the house,senate and the presidency and if they do not well I don't c much getting done. I don't care if the is Scott Walker or whoever it is.

In order for the jobs to come back to the States it will have to be more cost effective to build the product here, plain and simple. The cost of doing business has to be lowered.

One party control is usually a dangerous thing. What we need are elected officials who know how to govern and are business friendly. I thought Clinton was the biggest Hustler ever to become president but he did know how to govern and he knew that he couldn't lean on businesses too hard as the jobs would leave. Something his wife has no clue about as she is as authoritarian as they come.

[ss12]

I think a vote for Hillary will be the same thing we have had for the last 30 years. If the cost of doing business has to be lowered so does everything else. If not, nothing going to change but the middle class will be wiped out. Is this what you are looking for? You can't do one with out the other.

[Bubstr]

and why why did they leave ? They were taxed to death

This statement is false. More jobs left after tax cuts than before. We could remove all taxes from business and they would still leave.

The jobs left because our government made it possible. Just look to the trade agreements and banking deregulation that allows it. It isn't about a 15% tax, it's about 80% cheaper labor.

What amazes me is that these trade agreements where put in place to promote a trade balance. Our largest export is food. They just let the farm subsidies expire that will kill our exports. Subsidies are used by all countries to adjust price so it can compete in the world market. So now we have all of the bad and none of the good.

[15D]

I think a vote for Hillary will be the same thing we have had for the last 30 years. If the cost of doing business has to be lowered so does everything else. If not, nothing going to change but the middle class will be wiped out. Is this what you are looking for? You can't do one with out the other.

If you're economic view point is that it eventually it is the consumer who pays for everything, which is mine, then this wouldn't be the case. So over time if the cost of funding the government is shifted over to individuals (who already pay for it through the price of products or services a business has to add to their price) then the local businesses will be in a better position to compete with oversea's competitors, bringing the work and profits back here. Again over time as businesses have to compete for skilled employee's then we will finally see what everyone wants to see is the end of wage stagnation here in the states.

Granted this on it's own will not work. The size of government will have to shrink to make it more affordable. Probably we would also have to get in place more favorable trade agreements to boot. On another thread it was postulated that emerging markets should have to raise their working standards and environment regulations to match ours, I think would be a good place to start.

[racin6mod]

they were taxed to death NOT REALLY they sold out to cheep labor that is not dependable,free buildings paid for by the country they moved to,No insurance at all,in some cases no electric bill the country owns the electrical system. the tax is a very small part of way they left but not after training and training people all over the world some are coming back.

Remember there would not have been a union had it not been for a boss that ruled their employees like slaves. research henry ford he had armed ex boxers controlling his people and quit often beat them for just talking to the guy next to him.

[ss12]

15D I good place to start would be if every American would stop competing with these 3rd world countries and only buy American goods. America was only a great nation when we were consuming our own goods. We have been going down hill ever since we have been consuming 3rd world goods. Corporation greed has gotten in the way and we are paying the prices for it. We can fix this problem by ourselves and we don't need the government help. Buy American and only American!!

[LITE-INN]

Meanwhile back to the UNIONS topic, it looks like they are at it again in Washington state. Making their typical bully moves that may drive Boeing out of the state. http://freebeacon.com/boeing-to-part...ng-union-vote/

i HOPE THEY DO ST LOUIS IS INLINE FOR THE JOBS

[15D]

15D I good place to start would be if every American would stop competing with these 3rd world countries and only buy American goods. America was only a great nation when we were consuming our own goods. We have been going down hill ever since we have been consuming 3rd world goods. Corporation greed has gotten in the way and we are paying the prices for it. We can fix this problem by ourselves and we don't need the government help. Buy American and only American!!

Businesses have to avenues to differentiate themselves from their competitors; one is branding, the other is through price.

Touting that a product is American made is a method of branding. To an extent it is a successful method and if more consumers displayed a conscious effort to buy American if they were given a choice then this method of branding would be even more effective and as a result there would be even more American Companies competing in that market.

Your last two sentences give me hope and I couldn't agree more!

[15D]

15D I good place to start would be if every American would stop competing with these 3rd world countries and only buy American goods. America was only a great nation when we were consuming our own goods. We have been going down hill ever since we have been consuming 3rd world goods. Corporation greed has gotten in the way and we are paying the prices for it. We can fix this problem by ourselves and we don't need the government help. Buy American and only American!!

I see this term bantered around and thought I should address it; Corporate Greed. In my opinion a corporation has an absolute responsibility to either provide the highest dividend or retain as many earnings as possible for their stock holders. To do less would be a betrayal. For example if you belong to a pension and pension invests into stock I believe that you would want the highest returns possible for the risk you take in investing in them. The same would be if you were purchasing a stock or bond through a broker. To knowingly engage in efforts that reduced value or reduced return on investment would, in my opinion, be a tort and the CEO and Board should be held responsible in a civil court.

A number of years ago the notion of Corporate Governance took hold. Take Ronald McDonald House for example. I whole-heatedly believe the Kroc's wanted to give back to the community and specifically to children and they did it through the company they owned, McDonalds. Where the problem for me lies is that these donations should of been applied to dividends or retained earnings, not to the charity. If the individual bond holder wanted to give to a charity on their own, then that fine. It's their money and they can do what they want.

A second problem with Corporate Governance is that every sizable corporation feels the need to have a pet charity if for no other reason then "protection money" that a business would have to pay a the mob to keep from getting their windows busted out. In the corporate world it's used to give them cover from a prying media and bureaucracies that are charged with over-seeing the business. ADM is a prime example. They advertise on TV and Radio just so they will not be reported accurately on by the media. In the end all this does is hurt the little guy.

[Bubstr]

15D I good place to start would be if every American would stop competing with these 3rd world countries and only buy American goods. America was only a great nation when we were consuming our own goods. We have been going down hill ever since we have been consuming 3rd world goods. Corporation greed has gotten in the way and we are paying the prices for it. We can fix this problem by ourselves and we don't need the government help. Buy American and only American!!

I believe we have all at least thought of this cure, but the proof of the pudding falls short, because it seems there is more than enough greed to not only cover the corporate leader but there is plenty left for the consumer.

I guess greed is good and bad. It's the foundation of capitalism, but also it's demise. We always come back to that evil word regulation. As we can see, over regulation, deregulation and self regulation doesn't work very well.

[kidrock]

In order for the jobs to come back to the States it will have to be more cost effective to build the product here, plain and simple. The cost of doing business has to be lowered.

One party control is usually a dangerous thing. What we need are elected officials who know how to govern and are business friendly. I thought Clinton was the biggest Hustler ever to become president but he did know how to govern and he knew that he couldn't lean on businesses too hard as the jobs would leave. Something his wife has no clue about as she is as authoritarian as they come.

Alright so what about the companies that are here making and selling products. Just how are they doing it. Could it be maybe some are just so, greedy they see bigger profits by using 3rd world countries for cheap cheap labor.

I agree that one party rule is very dangerous but, I said it is the only way they are going to get their agenda passed.