Dang no talent loser!!

[CIRF]

BS and you know it...count the Roush cars, Hendrick cars and Penski cars... what a whiner you turned out to be....

Irony 101: You're whining about what you perceive as whining! LOL!

You don't have to justify Kyle's talent. He has plenty of it.

That's why I like NASCAR you have decision that have to be made throughout the race between crew chief and driver and sometimes you make the wrong call and sometimes you make the right call. It's not always just driving 500 laps.

But does he have any manners, upbringing or class? A resounding and unanimous "NO" is heard!

Ya I know... but its fun to chide CirF....

Kyles in car was funny....why'd we do that?

Still pointing at the scoreboard! LOL!

[kidrock]

CIRF, he isn't there to be nice he's there to win races. You want nice watch golf lol

[CIRF]

CIRF, he isn't there to be nice he's there to win races. You want nice watch golf lol

That's a cop out Kid, and you know it. Is that how you justify and condone some mannerless clown that from here on will never know what it's like to work a real job, produce or do anything more meaningful than driving hideously expensive vehicles making hideous amounts of money doing so for nothing more than our entertainment? We should all have it so dammed tough!

Don't bring up all the BS about the charitable foundations and all the money given to this cause or that cause. All of that usually provides a tax break and/or some sort of business incentive.

What makes people such as Jimmie Johnson, The King, David Pearson, Ricky Rudd and the Labonte brothers extra special is that they're very, very good at what they do, AND they're very, very good human beings. They've been taught and disciplined into good people from an early age and understand that it is by the Grace of God and the talent that He so generously gave to them that they can have more money, fame and privilege than 99.999999999999% of the world will ever dream of possessing. And in spite of all that they're still very, very good people. Those kinds of people are becoming more and more rare every day.

The appeal to some of those overpaid public figures who never learned humility and go out of their way to be complete a$$holes is a very puzzling societal phenomenon, indeed.

[kidrock]

That's a cop out Kid, and you know it. Is that how you justify and condone some mannerless clown that from here on will never know what it's like to work a real job, produce or do anything more meaningful than driving hideously expensive vehicles making hideous amounts of money doing so for nothing more than our entertainment? We should all have it so dammed tough!

Don't bring up all the BS about the charitable foundations and all the money given to this cause or that cause. All of that usually provides a tax break and/or some sort of business incentive.

What makes people such as Jimmie Johnson, The King, David Pearson, Ricky Rudd and the Labonte brothers extra special is that they're very, very good at what they do, AND they're very, very good human beings. They've been taught and disciplined into good people from an early age and understand that it is by the Grace of God and the talent that He so generously gave to them that they can have more money, fame and privilege than 99.999999999999% of the world will ever dream of possessing. And in spite of all that they're still very, very good people. Those kinds of people are becoming more and more rare every day.

The appeal to some of those overpaid public figures who never learned humility and go out of their way to be complete a$$holes is a very puzzling societal phenomenon, indeed.

I have a question do you know Kyle Busch?
Do you really know Kyle outside of what you see on Saturdays and Sunday's?

I see a lot of people on TV right after something happens on the track, field or court and act like a bunch of punks but, that's always in the heat of the moment. Not time for them to sit back and think about it before the act but, then I hear of all the good things they do off camera and then realize their pretty good people. They just don't handle things very well in the heat of the moment but, are they alone not at all.
You don't like Kyle I get it and by now so does everyone else but, that doesn't make Kyle a bad person
One other thing his car owner and sponsor must not think he's a bad guy or they would get rid of him

[CIRF]

I know him as well as I'm ever going to have the opportunity to, thank you.

How well do YOU know pee wee jr.? Are you positive he's humanly worth condoning, justifying and defending? That, in and of itself, is quite an endorsement of someone who very likely wouldn't bother to piss in your mouth if your tongue was ablaze and laugh all the while that it's burning.

The persona pee wee chooses to put out there is the one that is available for fair minded folks to make up their mind as to whether he's someone to align themselves with. Sometimes people condone and applaud other people's crappy attitude and lack of manners in order to somehow rationalize and justify their own crappy attitude and lack of manners. it's becoming more prevalent every day.

Personally I am much more prone to align myself with better drivers than pee wee jr. who show signs of having had an adequate upbringing. Jimmie Johnson comes to mind immediately even though I've never been one of his legions of fans. I mainly use him as an example of the virtuous character traits of a highly successful competitor.

[kidrock]

I know him as well as I'm ever going to have the opportunity to, thank you.

How well do YOU know pee wee jr.? Are you positive he's humanly worth condoning, justifying and defending? That, in and of itself, is quite an endorsement of someone who very likely wouldn't bother to piss in your mouth if your tongue was ablaze and laugh all the while that it's burning.

The persona pee wee chooses to put out there is the one that is available for fair minded folks to make up their mind as to whether he's someone to align themselves with. Sometimes people condone and applaud other people's crappy attitude and lack of manners in order to somehow rationalize and justify their own crappy attitude and lack of manners. it's becoming more prevalent every day.

Personally I am much more prone to align myself with better drivers than pee wee jr. who show signs of having had an adequate upbringing. Jimmie Johnson comes to mind immediately even though I've never been one of his legions of fans. I mainly use him as an example of the virtuous character traits of a highly successful competitor.

No I don't know him that's why I'm not going to judge him as a bad person when I really don't know him, yes he hasn't handled himself under certain circumstances but, that does not mean he's this bad person in my opinion but, you will judge people how you see fit.

[formercrewguy]

I heard he beats his dog when he loses................

[CIRF]

No I don't know him that's why I'm not going to judge him as a bad person when I really don't know him, yes he hasn't handled himself under certain circumstances but, that does not mean he's this bad person in my opinion but, you will judge people how you see fit.

A fair minded person can only form a perception by what they see and hear. Forming a perception is not judging someone as a bad person. It's merely using information as a guide line. My take on the guy is that he doesn't care what people who have no influence, beneficial or detrimental, think of him. But, perception is reality and it's real hard to perceive the guy as someone who'd might be fun to have a beer and hang out with. I take it you like guys that were never taught manners and humility. Okay, fair enough but it's a bit hard defend the indefensible, even for you, Kid!

I heard he beats his dog when he loses................

Has PETA and the ASPCA been alerted yet? If not, would ya' jump on that crewguy.

[kidrock]

A fair minded person can only form a perception by what they see and hear. Forming a perception is not judging someone as a bad person. It's merely using information as a guide line. My take on the guy is that he doesn't care what people who have no influence, beneficial or detrimental, think of him. But, perception is reality and it's real hard to perceive the guy as someone who'd might be fun to have a beer and hang out with. I take it you like guys that were never taught manners and humility. Okay, fair enough but it's a bit hard defend the indefensible, even for you, Kid!
Has PETA and the ASPCA been alerted yet? If not, would ya' jump on that crewguy.

I guess this will have to be one of those agree to disagree or we are just going to keep going back and forth.

[old fan]

I know him as well as I'm ever going to have the opportunity to, thank you.How well do YOU know pee wee jr.? Are you positive he's humanly worth condoning, justifying and defending? That, in and of itself, is quite an endorsement of someone who very likely wouldn't bother to piss in your mouth if your tongue was ablaze and laugh all the while that it's burning. The persona pee wee chooses to put out there is the one that is available for fair minded folks to make up their mind as to whether he's someone to align themselves with. Sometimes people condone and applaud other people's crappy attitude and lack of manners in order to somehow rationalize and justify their own crappy attitude and lack of manners. it's becoming more prevalent every day.Personally I am much more prone to align myself with better drivers than pee wee jr. who show signs of having had an adequate upbringing. Jimmie Johnson comes to mind immediately even though I've never been one of his legions of fans. I mainly use him as an example of the virtuous character traits of a highly successful competitor.

I would say so check your checking account , then check his lmao

[mudslinger47]

All great drivers have their detractors.... Kyle Busch give more to charity in a year then you probably make in a year... CIRF....

I have gotten to meet a few drivers and they have all been quite pleasant, but I don't go to the cup shows in person any more so I don't have that chance any more... Met R Petty several times, very nice gentleman... Ole DW was too... Met Bobby Hamilton, very quiet and Ernie Ervin, seemed a little shy... I met Kasey Kane at Manzi, also quiet and Tony Stewart, all business.... So I'm guessing that they are all pretty good guys away from the track.. but come time for the game face... look out....

[old fan]

very true CIRF how do you think they get their sponsors or rides geeesh

[CIRF]

I would say so check your checking account , then check his lmao

The exact point was made several posts ago, litey. Money isn't the point here. Money can't buy what I'm talking about, it can only be taught and emphasized during the formative years. It is painfully obvious that pee wee's parents were grossly deficient in their upbringing of both of their sons. Can't speak for the sister but I'd be willing to bet she probably got short changed in the parenting department, as well.

All great drivers have their detractors.... Kyle Busch give more to charity in a year then you probably make in a year... CIRF...

I have gotten to meet a few drivers and they have all been quite pleasant, but I don't go to the cup shows in person any more so I don't have that chance any more... Met R Petty several times, very nice gentleman... Ole DW was too... Met Bobby Hamilton, very quiet and Ernie Ervin, seemed a little shy... I met Kasey Kane at Manzi, also quiet and Tony Stewart, all business.... So I'm guessing that they are all pretty good guys away from the track.. but come time for the game face... look out....

And how much do I make in in a year and exactly how much does pee wee jr. give away to charity? Are you privy to my tax returns? Are you privy to pee wee's tax return? I'm thinking probably not! LOL!

Many high profile entertainer/athletes give copious amounts of money to their own foundations and to charitable entities. They get significant tax breaks by doing so and in numerous cases what they extend to these entities results in significant tax savings. Sorry, but it's a safe bet that pee wee's philanthropy isn't all that heart warming once you cut through the accounting gymnastics.

Some drivers are really good guys. Richard Petty, Kenny Schrader, Jeff Gordon, the Labonte bros., Buddy Baker, Tim Flock, Mark Martin, Jack Hewitt, Kyle Larson all seemed to be very cordial and unassuming. Spoke with The King, Schrader, Gordo, Jack Hewitt and Larson multiple times and all are extremely accommodating.

Benny Parsons, arnhead, Bobby Allison and Stewart were at the minimum cold and at the maximum rude. And these encounters were not in the heat of the moment, they were away from the racetrack or after the races.

In fact, at a local dirt track I personally witnessed a member of the military home from being deployed in the middle east go after Stewart for him swearing angrily at the soldiers wife over signing a shirt after the races were over. 100% unnecessary and uncalled for. If not for the soldiers wife and 2 of his friends he'd have went right in the racecar trailer after Stewart and if he'd got a hold of him he'd have partially dismembered ol' stewy. I saw this with my own eyes.

Judging from what we've all seen of the pee wee and his big brother it's a safe bet they are equally as unpleasant and condescending.

[Raceready]

The exact point was made several posts ago, litey. Money isn't the point here. Money can't buy what I'm talking about, it can only be taught and emphasized during the formative years. It is painfully obvious that pee wee's parents were grossly deficient in their upbringing of both of their sons. Can't speak for the sister but I'd be willing to bet she probably got short changed in the parenting department, as well. And how much do I make in in a year and exactly how much does pee wee jr. give away to charity? Are you privy to my tax returns? Are you privy to pee wee's tax return? I'm thinking probably not! LOL! Many high profile entertainer/athletes give copious amounts of money to their own foundations and to charitable entities. They get significant tax breaks by doing so and in numerous cases what they extend to these entities results in significant tax savings. Sorry, but it's a safe bet that pee wee's philanthropy isn't all that heart warming once you cut through the accounting gymnastics. Some drivers are really good guys. Richard Petty, Kenny Schrader, Jeff Gordon, the Labonte bros., Buddy Baker, Tim Flock, Mark Martin, Jack Hewitt, Kyle Larson all seemed to be very cordial and unassuming. Spoke with The King, Schrader, Gordo, Jack Hewitt and Larson multiple times and all are extremely accommodating. Benny Parsons, arnhead, Bobby Allison and Stewart were at the minimum cold and at the maximum rude. And these encounters were not in the heat of the moment, they were away from the racetrack or after the races. In fact, at a local dirt track I personally witnessed a member of the military home from being deployed in the middle east go after Stewart for him swearing angrily at the soldiers wife over signing a shirt after the races were over. 100% unnecessary and uncalled for. If not for the soldiers wife and 2 of his friends he'd have went right in the racecar trailer after Stewart and if he'd got a hold of him he'd have partially dismembered ol' stewy. I saw this with my own eyes. Judging from what we've all seen of the pee wee and his big brother it's a safe bet they are equally as unpleasant and condescending.

I am in awe of that post ! Maybe if that soldier had gotten a chance at Stewart it might have had an outcome for the better. Perhaps that was the chance needed for somebody to finally make a man out of the Stewer ? I've heard though that he picks his fights wisely.

[Clayton_Wetter]

I guess this will have to be one of those agree to disagree or we are just going to keep going back and forth.

So why do you keep going back and forth all the time. You've made this same statement countless times, but you never hold to it.