Clinton...WTF!!!

[kidrock]

Please, stop with the litey stuff!! LOL!

So, let me get this straight, you are willing to believe without reservation a well known and documented pathological serial liar, crooked disbarred lawyer who is famous, or rather infamous, for being a skirt chasin' pu$$y hound that uses his position of power to procure and intimidate women for his own groin gravy? That's who you're giving the benefit of what little doubt there is? You'll take the word of this lowlife paragon of virtue over the word of a woman who gained nothing but the belittlement and scorn of clinton's enabler wife and his lowlife attack artist surrogates. Is that what you're saying? Dam, now that's a leap of faith right there!! I really believe if the rapist in question was part of a different ideological spectrum your song would have different word, if ya' know what I mean.

like I said I'm not going to sit here and say he didn't or did do it. Just like you can't. Yes you can have your opinion and believe he did it that's your right but, there are to many cases out there where it didn't happen just as there are many cases where it has happened so, what side of isle their on has nothing to do with it.

[CIRF]

like I said I'm not going to sit here and say he didn't or did do it. Just like you can't. Yes you can have your opinion and believe he did it that's your right but, there are to many cases out there where it didn't happen just as there are many cases where it has happened so, what side of isle their on has nothing to do with it.

No argument regarding false accusations. It's happened many times and on the same token there have been a whole bunch of rapists go unpunished because the victims knew they wouldn't be believed. Especially in cases where the perpetrator is in a position of power and authority, which is the case with clinton and his wife.

But one thing that cannot be disputed, at least by any fair minded person, is that in the clinton case the accuser is far more credible. The documented record of the accused and his wife and surrogates is extremely suspect and the accuser is far more believable than the accused. And the fact that a well known author challenged the clinton's to a defamation suit on national TV and the clinton's refused to respond in any way is also a telling situation, as well. Got any theories as to why a suit wasn't pursued? It might well be that the clinton's and their surrogates didn't want to testify in open court or have the transcripts of sworn depositions made public. See where this is going?

The press basically gave clinton and his wife and surrogates a pass and the statute of limitations had run out on the crime.

It's just a bit hard for clear and objective thinking folks to dismiss all that.

[kidrock]

No argument regarding false accusations. It's happened many times and on the same token there have been a whole bunch of rapists go unpunished because the victims knew they wouldn't be believed. Especially in cases where the perpetrator is in a position of power and authority, which is the case with clinton and his wife.

But one thing that cannot be disputed, at least by any fair minded person, is that in the clinton case the accuser is far more credible. The documented record of the accused and his wife and surrogates is extremely suspect and the accuser is far more believable than the accused. And the fact that a well known author challenged the clinton's to a defamation suit on national TV and the clinton's refused to respond in any way is also a telling situation, as well. Got any theories as to why a suit wasn't pursued? It might well be that the clinton's and their surrogates didn't want to testify in open court or have the transcripts of sworn depositions made public. See where this is going?

The press basically gave clinton and his wife and surrogates a pass and the statute of limitations had run out on the crime.

It's just a bit hard for clear and objective thinking folks to dismiss all that.

Again for the third time I can't say he did or didn't happen same as you. People have accused people before that were creditable people only to find out it never happened. Listen I'm not telling you you can't believe it happened. Why would I do that.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Was Bill Clinton ever convicted of rape? Anybody can male allegations against anybody. I believe in The USA you are innocent until proven guilty correct? So if he was never convicted he is innocent.

No Clinton has ever been convicted of anything, most criminals are, but some elites get a pass. That's a fact.

[Clayton_Wetter]

So, apply that to your post #167. I love how the list of "Republicans" includes "activists", "campaign workers" and the like. Then you have the "allegedly" remarks you failed to point out.

Then let's address your last item about G.W. Bush "raping and kidnapping" a woman and her husband.
WHAT???

This may be the DUMBEST "source"/accusation I've ever seen on 4m along with the dumbest post. Congrats ss12. Did you even read it??

Could you explain to me how a SITTING President could possibly "kidnap and rape" ANYBODY????
Where did he keep them while they were "kidnapped"???? The Whitehouse???
What did his secret service protection do while this took place??? Watch??? Did they drive him to wherever he "kidnapped" these people??? Did he throw them into the back seat of "the beast" Limo and haul them back to the Whitehouse???

I can't let this one slide ss12. Please give me an answer.

Yes ss, by all means, bring just one proven fact and for just once find some source that isn't a gutter outfit!!

[Clayton_Wetter]

Please, stop with the litey stuff!! LOL!

So, let me get this straight, you are willing to believe without reservation a well known and documented pathological serial liar, crooked disbarred lawyer who is famous, or rather infamous, for being a skirt chasin' pu$$y hound that uses his position of power to procure and intimidate women for his own groin gravy? That's who you're giving the benefit of what little doubt there is? You'll take the word of this lowlife paragon of virtue over the word of a woman who gained nothing but the belittlement and scorn of clinton's enabler wife and his lowlife attack artist surrogates. Is that what you're saying? Dam, now that's a leap of faith right there!! I really believe if the rapist in question was part of a different ideological spectrum your song would have different word, if ya' know what I mean.

But just out of pure partisan blindness you can dam well bet he would roast Bush alive if even one word of the same accusations were just even fabricated about him by the media. And one talks about hypocrites???

[a25rjr]

Being a moderate, means that I agree with some of each parties platform. I do not tie my hands to any party any given year. I decide on who has the best chance to govern this country and get something done and who's less crooked. If the candidate sounds like a preacher in his speeches, they won't get my vote. As I stated, I don't want a politician talking to me about religion or moral values. I want them to address things like Social Security, fixing our roads/bridges, fixing healthcare, taxes, a jobs bill that the Congress should have passed, making the military strong without being the world's police and cut spending and start paying down the deficit or at least try. I don't need to here about his/her religious beliefs, moral values (because if they are a politician, morals are probably not something they will have), who should be married to who, or abortion. Those are all social issues that ultimately the Republican party is going to lose on (sooner or later), because the younger generation does not see things the same way. It's just the hard cold fact.

Define morals......if the govt took the money to address those issues you suggested, and spent it on lavish living expenses for our officials, or illegal drugs, or profiteering, wouldn't that be immoral?

We need our politicians more than ever to hold the highest standard of morals. Babies, by the millions, have been murdered because our Supreme Court justices have NO morals, or allow same-sex-marriage, because of NO morals. Or how about politicians who illegally profit millions of dollars, because of NO morals...and so on, and so on.

Ones morals defines the decisions they make, no matter what job title they hold.

Its way past time, for the extreme right to take our nation on a NEW path to uphold God's statutes and make this nation, great again!

[kidrock]

I found this interesting on Fox News. Obama has a 48 % approval rating but, congress has 14% approval rating. And congress is in control of Republicans. No wonder people don't want the establishment in there on the Republican side

[Clayton_Wetter]

https://www.facebook.com/John.W.Nielsen/videos/10204586981860068/

Clinton Emails!!!

[CIRF]

Again for the third time I can't say he did or didn't happen same as you. People have accused people before that were creditable people only to find out it never happened. Listen I'm not telling you you can't believe it happened. Why would I do that.

In your opinion, is clinton capable of aggravated sexual assault or are these women/woman just making all this stuff up? We know his wife is capable of attacking the victims whether they were telling the truth or not and she's wanting to be POTUS.

But just out of pure partisan blindness you can dam well bet he would roast Bush alive if even one word of the same accusations were just even fabricated about him by the media. And one talks about hypocrites???

I was thinking the same thing Clayton. The old saying "it all depends on whose ox is being gored" may apply in this instance.

[kidrock]

In your opinion, is clinton capable of aggravated sexual assault or are these women/woman just making all this stuff up? We know his wife is capable of attacking the victims whether they were telling the truth or not and she's wanting to be POTUS.
I was thinking the same thing Clayton. The old saying "it all depends on whose ox is being gored" may apply in this instance.

Sorry but, I don't know Bill Clinton and didn't know him back then either so, I couldn't give you a honest answer.

No your wrong just like the article ss12 put out about Bush, I couldn't no more say he did it then I can say he didn't. I don't know and neither do you so, it has nothing to do whether you are democrat or republican. This has no party affiliation.
People make accusations all the time that are not true.

[mud duck]

Define morals......if the govt took the money to address those issues you suggested, and spent it on lavish living expenses for our officials, or illegal drugs, or profiteering, wouldn't that be immoral?

We need our politicians more than ever to hold the highest standard of morals. Babies, by the millions, have been murdered because our Supreme Court justices have NO morals, or allow same-sex-marriage, because of NO morals. Or how about politicians who illegally profit millions of dollars, because of NO morals...and so on, and so on.

Ones morals defines the decisions they make, no matter what job title they hold.

Its way past time, for the extreme right to take our nation on a NEW path to uphold God's statutes and make this nation, great again!

I think you just proved my point on what I was saying. Abortion, marriage and trying to force religion down everyone's throat. It's up to each individual to decide their own beliefs and values. Not Politicians. I do agree politicians need to be moral. But, I believe that boat has sailed!! That is strictly a dream now that greed and power has taken over.

[ss12]

So, apply that to your post #167. I love how the list of "Republicans" includes "activists", "campaign workers" and the like. Then you have the "allegedly" remarks you failed to point out.

Then let's address your last item about G.W. Bush "raping and kidnapping" a woman and her husband.
WHAT???

This may be the DUMBEST "source"/accusation I've ever seen on 4m along with the dumbest post. Congrats ss12. Did you even read it??

Could you explain to me how a SITTING President could possibly "kidnap and rape" ANYBODY????
Where did he keep them while they were "kidnapped"???? The Whitehouse???
What did his secret service protection do while this took place??? Watch??? Did they drive him to wherever he "kidnapped" these people??? Did he throw them into the back seat of "the beast" Limo and haul them back to the Whitehouse???

I can't let this one slide ss12. Please give me an answer.

My whole point of the post was just to show that anybody can accusations against anyone. This is the political season and a lot of people start throwing accusation to see what sticks. Did George w Bush do this? We will never know the truth one way or the other. Did Bill Clinton get a BJ from Monica Lewinsky. Where were the secret service at?

[old fan]

right behind him lol

[skids]

My whole point of the post was just to show that anybody can accusations against anyone. This is the political season and a lot of people start throwing accusation to see what sticks. Did George w Bush do this? We will never know the truth one way or the other. Did Bill Clinton get a BJ from Monica Lewinsky. Where were the secret service at?

Are you really gonna compare the two?

I'll play along....

Let's see, is it easier for the POTUS to be alone with an intern in the "Oral" office long enough to get a BJ? Or is it easier for a President to leave the Whitehouse and travel to Texas, kidnap a man and his wife and rape her? Ya, I'm sure a little detour from the ranch to perform a kidnapping was just what happened.