Mark Martin to Hall of Fame

[kidrock]

Wendell Scott is in the HOF only because he was the same color as asphalt. No ifs, ands, or buts.

I'm glad he is in the way Nascar screwed him over.

[CIRF]

Agreed, Wendell Scott is deserving to be in the hall of fame. And, Wendell was repeatedly screwed over by NASCAR but no more than Mark Martin. Most notable was the shafting that Mark got in reference to the 1990 Winston Cup Championship.

[old fan]

Sorry wendell got screwed over more than mark did READ ON ROOKIE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Scott

[Raceready]

Sorry wendell got screwed over more than mark did

How so? Nasty Nasky stole a whole championship from Martin, not just 1 race victory delayed like they did with Wendell because they didn't want him to kiss the white trophy queen.

[old fan]

Read the link was mark ever denied an opp to race because he was white or purple or any other color no

[Raceready]

Read the link was mark ever denied an opp to race because he was white or purple or any other color no

For sure he didn't win the title because of color because his car wasn't black as was the #3 team car who had the championship handed on over to it !! The width of 1 intake gasket brand over another was the difference of winning the championship and letting the other team win! Was it .00001 or .00002 " that they used as an excuse to take the title away?

[old fan]

I was talking about his race Wwndell was denied torace because of his color of his skin wasn't even allowed to get the glory over winning a race either

[kidrock]

I was talking about his race Wwndell was denied torace because of his color of his skin wasn't even allowed to get the glory over winning a race either

No kidding, I can't believe anyone would think what happened to Martin was worse then what happened to Scott.

[CIRF]

The shafting of Mark Martin was not worse than the prejudice and malice directed towards Mr. Scott and I never said it was. However, if Wendell Scott had challenged for a championship I'd bet my last money that NASCAR would have found a way to prevent that from happening. It would have been a personal vendetta to prevent a man of color from winning the championship of a deep Southeastern, basically all white, organization at a time when that type treatment of folks of color was accepted, even heralded.

Mark Martin got screwed not because of his ethnicity or personal vendetta. He got screwed because the powers that be, namely Billy France Jr., had a very, very cozy relationship with a particular driver and team owner and personally preferred to see that driver and team win that particular championship. There may have been some monetary gain for France Jr., as well, but that was never really established.

At that particular time some of The King's star power and competitive edge was fading and younger fans weren't aware or didn't care about King's past glory. So, a star and a standard bearer was needed. The rest is history.

[kidrock]

The shafting of Mark Martin was not worse than the prejudice and malice directed towards Mr. Scott and I never said it was. However, if Wendell Scott had challenged for a championship I'd bet my last money that NASCAR would have found a way to prevent that from happening. It would have been a personal vendetta to prevent a man of color from winning the championship of a deep Southeastern, basically all white, organization at a time when that type treatment of folks of color was accepted, even heralded.

Mark Martin got screwed not because of his ethnicity or personal vendetta. He got screwed because the powers that be, namely Billy France Jr., had a very, very cozy relationship with a particular driver and team owner and personally preferred to see that driver and team win that particular championship. There may have been some monetary gain for France Jr., as well, but that was never really established.

At that particular time some of The King's star power and competitive edge was fading and younger fans weren't aware or didn't care about King's past glory. So, a star and a standard bearer was needed. The rest is history.

Not directed to you or anyone in particular. Just saying anyone who can't see what happened to Martin was worse the what happened to Scott must be blind.

[Raceready]

If the movie about Wendell Scott as portrayed by Richard Pryor is correct the boys at the southern tracks would put up a bounty on Scott and a driver could make some extra cash by putting Wendell into the wall ?

[oldfart50]

The height was 100% correct including the gaskets. The issue was Jack used spacers instead of welding them to the intake. Had they been welded to the manifold there would have been no issue.

For sure he didn't win the title because of color because his car wasn't black as was the #3 team car who had the championship handed on over to it !! The width of 1 intake gasket brand over another was the difference of winning the championship and letting the other team win! Was it .00001 or .00002 " that they used as an excuse to take the title away?

[kidrock]

The height was 100% correct including the gaskets. The issue was Jack used spacers instead of welding them to the intake. Had they been welded to the manifold there would have been no issue.

Sure doesn't sound like a conspiracy, it sounds like they just plain broke the rules.

[Raceready]

Remember the controversy at the 2007 Daytona 500 when Martin seemingly won under caution but then they gave the win to somebody else and then another win at Atlanta was reported to have been taken away by a mystery debris yellow flag? It is a vague recollection.

[CIRF]

Sure doesn't sound like a conspiracy, it sounds like they just plain broke the rules.

The whole scenario was not a conspiracy. Roush & Company broke the letter of the rule not the spirit of the rule, there is absolutely no question about that. However, there were several ambiguous and even suspicious details that entered into the whole deal. The manifold had exactly the same elevation as the rest of the cars that day. As was mentioned previously the spacer was no thicker than anyone else's but it was bolted into place as opposed to welded.

The #6 was penalized 46 points and Martin ended up only 26 points behind the #3 in the final points tally. That was a HUGE penalty for an infraction that afforded the #6 car neither a horsepower advantage nor a competitive advantage, ie. fuel mileage, etc. The geometry of the intake manifold was identical to a "legal" manifold but the method of attachment to the main body of the intake manifold was the only discrepancy. Plus, the manifold had been approved and a seal applied by NASCAR 3 TIMES prior to the post race inspection and subsequently being ruled as illegal.

Anyone smell something even remotely fishy here? It's a pretty large leap of faith if you don't.