Mark Martin to Hall of Fame

[kidrock]

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/200...ng-mark-martinhttp://articles.dailypress.com/1990-...-illegal-tires


It sounds like it was a metal spacer between the carb and the intake and it was a half inch thicker then approved and it was earlier in the year so, no I dont smell anything fishy. Now had it been later in the year with just a couple races left then I would have to question it your story that is lol

[CIRF]

Seriously? Nothing fishy?

I've been consistent since February of 1990. It was a chicken$hit, way over the top, penalty and it screwed Mark Martin out of a championship that he rightfully won in favor of the #3 car. This was the most blatant incident of France's favor towards the #3 team but I can site you chapter and verse at least another 1/2 dozen incidents where things went in favor of the #3 with plausible deniability on the part of NASCAR.

I gave NASCAR the generous benefit of the doubt many, many times over the years until there came a point where it was impossible to intelligently rationalize their actions, or sometimes the lack thereof.

Here's an article containing an interview a decade after the bull$hit penalty. It pretty much puts the whole incident into perspective.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2000-05-04/sports/0005050233_1_manifold-roush-martin

[old fan]

http://www.jayski.com/news/pages/sto...ies-Fines-2016 it sucked for MARK he had to run for a cheating team owner ROUSH just like Hendricks = cheaters even Gibbs it should be no fines you come to the track illegal you last place and no points not docking and candy ass lil fines good grief

[drano]

Martin would have got a championship if he would have left Jack sooner.

[old fan]

exactly how can a driver stay with a team for a long time if the the team owner cheats all the time

[kidrock]

Seriously? Nothing fishy?

I've been consistent since February of 1990. It was a chicken$hit, way over the top, penalty and it screwed Mark Martin out of a championship that he rightfully won in favor of the #3 car. This was the most blatant incident of France's favor towards the #3 team but I can site you chapter and verse at least another 1/2 dozen incidents where things went in favor of the #3 with plausible deniability on the part of NASCAR.

I gave NASCAR the generous benefit of the doubt many, many times over the years until there came a point where it was impossible to intelligently rationalize their actions, or sometimes the lack thereof.

Here's an article containing an interview a decade after the bull$hit penalty. It pretty much puts the whole incident into perspective.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/200...d-roush-martin

well maybe I should ask this question first. Are you saying NASCAR did this so Dale could win the Championship?

[old fan]

don't listen yo the man the man in the tin hat sorry you come to the track illegal and get caught who you blame

[CIRF]

well maybe I should ask this question first. Are you saying NASCAR did this so Dale could win the Championship?

Nope. What I'm saying is that anytime there was an opportunity to somehow provide an edge or some advantage that had plausible deniability built into the situation Billy France Jr. saw to it that it was provided.

Maybe I should ask this question first. Do you really believe Billy France Jr. didn't allow his well documented special affection for arnhead to hold a certain degree of sway over decisions made in regards to situations that would benefit arnhead and the #3 team?

[old fan]

well when you own the sanctioning body you can do that

[CIRF]

And he did, on many occasions.

[kidrock]

Nope. What I'm saying is that anytime there was an opportunity to somehow provide an edge or some advantage that had plausible deniability built into the situation Billy France Jr. saw to it that it was provided.

Maybe I should ask this question first. Do you really believe Billy France Jr. didn't allow his well documented special affection for arnhead to hold a certain degree of sway over decisions made in regards to situations that would benefit arnhead and the #3 team?

I dont really think that Bill Jr would influance and outcome just so that Earnhardt could win a championship. Now would he listen to Dale and maybe make some changes that's likely.

[old fan]

for someone that hates NASCAR he does a lot of writing about and by the way all races should finish under green

[CIRF]

I dont really think that Bill Jr would influance and outcome just so that Earnhardt could win a championship. Now would he listen to Dale and maybe make some changes that's likely.

It cannot be denied that Billy France Jr. had a personal affection for arnhead. It cannot be denied that many rulings went in favor of the #3 team over the course of a decade, or so. Did some of those rulings result in race victories and good finishes, whether directly or indirectly? Indisputable evidence exists that they did.

Were there rules decisions and punishment dispensed by NASCAR that aided in the #3 team winning a championship? Indisputable evidence exists in the affirmative as in the Richmond ruling in reference to the #6 team. It is impossible to determine, especially by someone like myself, if the championship was a motivating factor in the shafting of the #6 team in 1990 but I'm confident there is someone, somewhere who knows, one way or the other.

At the time that particular ruling and punishment was dispensed the points championship was well in question but turned out to be the single most determining factor in the 1990 season championship.

If you don't believe the France family would do most anything to see that things went their way then I suggest you read Smokey Yunick's autobiography. He was there, he saw, heard and lived the life and was on the receiving end of more than one France family double cross.

[old fan]

And Smokey was one the biggest cheaters and playing mind games known to racing

[CIRF]

Whether Smokey was a cheater or not has nothing to do with the France family backstabbing and double dealing he witnessed and was sometimes the recipient of.

And just for the record, he didn't try to break the rules per se, he was very creative in areas that weren't covered by the rules. As the old saying goes "it didn't say I couldn't...........".