Ump

[ptown]

Lucas has better quality of cars but they do nothing about the tire cheaters, maybe that's why WOO is taking that stand.

[dirt FANatic 11]

"427c.i.
I was told a rumor a few years ago that FALS was told the same thing when they wanted to book a Lucas show.
Like I said, rumor but it does sound like the same story FCS is being told.

Too bad, I guess the WRG is afraid of the competition."

I heard FALS was days away from signing with Lucas to make the PDC a Lucas event, and UMP/WRG came in last minute and made them make it a WoO race or they would lose UMP Sanction. - This came from one of the Lucas Oil Series directors

[ptown]

"427c.i.
I was told a rumor a few years ago that FALS was told the same thing when they wanted to book a Lucas show.
Like I said, rumor but it does sound like the same story FCS is being told.

Too bad, I guess the WRG is afraid of the competition."

I heard FALS was days away from signing with Lucas to make the PDC a Lucas event, and UMP/WRG came in last minute and made them make it a WoO race or they would loose UMP Sanction. - This came from one of the Lucas Oil Series directors

If Fairbury wanted to have a Lucas show they would, WOO don't want to mess with Fairbury and the PDC, one of their most successful races.

[slingindirt83]

I was told the same thing from a very reliable source from FALS. There is a date that if you had a lucas race before it you were grandfathered in.

[Barbecueboy]

Lucas has better quality of cars but they do nothing about the tire cheaters, maybe that's why WOO is taking that stand.

If what you say is true why would woo care if Lucas wants to besmirch their reputation as a series......seems like they would encourage it to gain a much needed advantage.


And if all of what has been discussed in this thread is remotely true, it's a clear sign that from woo standpoint, desperate times call for desperate measures.

[GEAR_HEAD]

UMP has absolutely no business telling any racetrack how to operate their business or how much profit can be made. Lucas Oil races are big money-makers for racetracks whether you like them or not, and basically UMP is telling them they are not allowed to have a big race to make a nice profit. That is overreach at its finest. The people who don't agree are either Democraps or have absolutely no business sense. This would be like Coke telling a grocery store that they can't sell Pepsi, which is illegal.

[MI Dirt Fan]

This would be like Coke telling a grocery store that they can't sell Pepsi, which is illegal.

Sav-a-lot grocery store in Baldwin MI only sells Pepsi. No Coke. Saw it one day. Been that way for quite a while.

[GEAR_HEAD]

Sav-a-lot grocery store in Baldwin MI only sells Pepsi. No Coke. Saw it one day. Been that way for quite a while.

That is the right of the grocery store. That usually has something to do with a conflict with that particular vendor. It would have been illegal for Pepsi to tell them to do so though.

[Bubstr]

When you see exclusive Pepsi or Coke at stores or restaurants even race tracks, it is a deal that includes price incentives and advertisement, such as signs. It's not forced but voluntary and perfectly legal.

In certain areas, being a UMP track is advantageous to get weekly car counts up. If this is part of the bargain, the tracks have to make up their minds on if it's worth it or not. A while back UMP pulled the SN race from 34 raceway. They are no longer a UMP track and they have a lucas oil race and a WOO sprint car race and one big unsanctioned race.

I may be wrong, but I believe some tracks that race SLM weekly have a better bargaining position.

[MI Dirt Fan]

Coke just flat out doesn't sell there so they pulled out. 2 other stores in town they sell coke

[GEAR_HEAD]

Regardless, it's illegal to threaten to stop offering your product if somebody chooses the competition's product. I don't know how any company or organization can ethically or legally try to do that. That just goes to show the lack of morals in UMP. Bob Memmer is turning over in his grave. The dinosaurs like Sam Driggers are destroying UMP and the Summernationals and doing unethical things like threatening racetrack promoters and calling consis "C-mains" so that they don't have to pay the participants, so maybe it's time to get some young blood in there. The old regime just isn't working anymore and they aren't helping the racing community, which is why UMP was formed in the first place. They seemed to have forgotten about the principles that UMP was founded upon.

[ptown]

Regardless, it's illegal to threaten to stop offering your product if somebody chooses the competition's product.

I disagree, do you have a link?

[calverton]

UMP has absolutely no business telling any racetrack how to operate their business or how much profit can be made. Lucas Oil races are big money-makers for racetracks whether you like them or not, and basically UMP is telling them they are not allowed to have a big race to make a nice profit. That is overreach at its finest. The people who don't agree are either Democraps or have absolutely no business sense. This would be like Coke telling a grocery store that they can't sell Pepsi, which is illegal.

they sanction the track lucas oil would be a guess series, I think what UMP should 've done is go ahead run your lucas race but watch for other tracks running against you that weekend

[calverton]

you guys are a bunch rookies woo sprints had stipulations usac even before usac aaa had crazy rules going on look it up

[GEAR_HEAD]

I disagree, do you have a link?

A link to what? It's as illegal as predatory pricing, monopolies, and collusion, which are all serious threats to our great capitalist system. If this happened in corporate America there would be an instant antitrust lawsuit. Not to mention it's simply unethical, which should be enough to stop companies and organizations from doing it. Look up the AMD v Intel case where AMD claimed that Intel threatened to stop providing processors to companies that also used AMD processors. Intel knew they were guilty and settled for 1.25 billion dollars.