Tader Masters opinion of passing points...Racing Welfare!

[hucktyson]

Your spending 50 dollars to watch a race. Some car owners are seriously spending 500k. Telling them we have to do some absurd format so you and a couple other people can sit there and pull you puds is absurd. The couple people with a lot of money are the ones that drove the costs up. The average racer wishes the costs were back to 1990 levels. Plenty of racers have come from the tail in qualifying formats. Where did Josh Richards start the feature Saturday with this format that makes you cream your jeans ???

[Bubstr]

Your spending 50 dollars to watch a race. Some car owners are seriously spending 500k. Telling them we have to do some absurd format so you and a couple other people can sit there and pull you puds is absurd. The couple people with a lot of money are the ones that drove the costs up. The average racer wishes the costs were back to 1990 levels. Plenty of racers have come from the tail in qualifying formats. Where did Josh Richards start the feature Saturday with this format that makes you cream your jeans ???

There is something wrong with spending 500k to win a 75k championship. If you add up all the fans that pay for a seat at every race and you will find out who is footing the bill. No fans in the stands equals no racing. It's has always been that way and always will. If the fans want the drivers to play Kazoos for the national anthem, they better tune up.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

There is something wrong with spending 500k to win a 75k championship. If you add up all the fans that pay for a seat at every race and you will find out who is footing the bill. No fans in the stands equals no racing. It's has always been that way and always will. If the fans want the drivers to play Kazoos for the national anthem, they better tune up.

There may be, but they 100% are.

[No_Weak_Links]

Racing welfare sounds right up Mastersbilt's alley.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

There is something wrong with spending 500k to win a 75k championship. If you add up all the fans that pay for a seat at every race and you will find out who is footing the bill. No fans in the stands equals no racing. It's has always been that way and always will. If the fans want the drivers to play Kazoos for the national anthem, they better tune up.

The teams lose money without WELFARE from free product the rest of us subsidize. Losing money every year isn't much of a profession.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Are the teams forgetting the fans role here? I like the "best starts in the back" format. Line the feature up by points by appearance. The points leader should start in the least advantaged position at all times.

I really don't think so as a fan.

[fryefan]

Word for word quote from his twitter account.......Passing points suck. Draw for your starting spot and lucky people get points for starting up front and holding...it's like racing welfare.

I agree passing points suck.

He couldn't be more wrong. Shows with inverts and/or passing points are MUCH better shows than the freight train format. The cream still rises to the top and you actually get to see cars pass one another.

[zyoung25]

Florence does a single heat passing point format every week. I think it produces some of the best racing you'll see. It would not bother me a bit to see the outlaws or Lucas oil series both do that. What makes the difference, most of their guys get in no matter what to anyway.

I almost bet Dennis Erb would be all for it.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Florence does a single heat passing point format every week. I think it produces some of the best racing you'll see. It would not bother me a bit to see the outlaws or Lucas oil series both do that. What makes the difference, most of their guys get in no matter what to anyway.

I almost bet Dennis Erb would be all for it.

Yep, lol. It’s like Erb can’t turn laps without other cars, he needs some Turismo or Mario Cart Ghost Mode.

[hucktyson]

How did all of you supposed race fans ever start to like
Racing when none of this BS was around till a few years ago ????

[chupp n bloomer fan]

How did all of you supposed race fans ever start to like
Racing when none of this BS was around till a few years ago ????

Well huck, they used to start the fast guys literally in the back.

Personally, I think a combination of passing points, and qualifying should be used. You start every race heads up, it can be pretty boring. Sorry, just is man.

[manwplan]

The local tracks that use some form of line ups that put the fast guy in the back, none of you people go to. Support your local track (most are dying btw) and you can see the format you love. National races the cars are so close you don't need gimmicks. Prep a good track and the racing will be good. The big races are 100 laps. The track will go through transition and there will be passing.

[hucktyson]

Chupp fan ... when ???? I've been going to the races since 1985 and no track I was ever at did that. I went to every pittsburgher ever and they never did that ...

[Bubstr]

Chupp fan, is correct. In the 50s and 60s, they where lined up by track points at most tracks. High points to the rear and the only ones that started behind them, was cars that didn't have so many starts, to eliminate cherry picking. There was very little tour racing, out side of NASCAR, AAA, IMCA and USAC. They ran completely different rules than most tracks.

I can't say I like inverts, but if they invert, only invert in the heats and never invert more spots, than can be made back in the A main. 100laps invert 8 in the heats. 50laps or less, only invert 4. Really the double passing points is the fair way to qualify. LM racing is not about speed, it's about passing. Speed varies, sometimes up to two seconds a lap, during the night. That speed difference is that makes time trials unfair. I can remember going to the World in the early 70s and if you didn't draw a 50 spot or under, you my as well go home, even if you beat the starting grid many times before. This was the day races. Now that was welfare for some.

The thing I don't like about passing points, is there needs to be money for the extra laps.

[manwplan]

Chupp fan, is correct. In the 50s and 60s, they where lined up by track points at most tracks. High points to the rear and the only ones that started behind them, was cars that didn't have so many starts, to eliminate cherry picking. There was very little tour racing, out side of NASCAR, AAA, IMCA and USAC. They ran completely different rules than most tracks.

I can't say I like inverts, but if they invert, only invert in the heats and never invert more spots, than can be made back in the A main. 100laps invert 8 in the heats. 50laps or less, only invert 4. Really the double passing points is the fair way to qualify. LM racing is not about speed, it's about passing. Speed varies, sometimes up to two seconds a lap, during the night. That speed difference is that makes time trials unfair. I can remember going to the World in the early 70s and if you didn't draw a 50 spot or under, you my as well go home, even if you beat the starting grid many times before. This was the day races. Now that was welfare for some.

The thing I don't like about passing points, is there needs to be money for the extra laps.

The last sentence is spot on. If there was a payout for the heats, I have no problem with the format.