Ray Cooks new droop rule

[let-r-eat]

I don't think it's a bad rule. I just think it's a rathole that a ton of money will be going down. I'm all for putting it in the whole race teams hands and not the big manufacturers. I don't really know the best way to go about maintaining the spirit of this rule. Well intended and but you can hear the complaining and griping from a million miles away on this deal. I don't think the controlling of the hike is a bad thing. I see the spoiler getting a ton closer to the rear axle housing on this deal though and provisions made to unload the front when that jack starts unloading the rear.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Stupid rule waste of time no one runs cooks series anyway. DOD says it's to reduce roll over accidents , stupid it's not like they flip when they go in the turns. Stupid azz waste of time.

Yeah, actually they do.

[PRCKartRacer9]

Is this the pic that was requested?

[race14]

Be sensible it's far from an epidemic, I probably watched 50 races this year maybe seen half a dozen roll overs. Majority catching a rut or something not because they went into the corner and they just rolled over.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Be sensible it's far from an epidemic, I probably watched 50 races this year maybe seen half a dozen roll overs. Majority catching a rut or something not because they went into the corner and they just rolled over.

I didn't see a single roll over in the first 250 races I ever watched. At one race this year, I saw 1 rollver and 8 or 9 other cars barely save it.

[President Clinton]

Could lack of track prep(ruts and holes) be part of the problem? Maybe racers need a rule to force promoters to do some work????

[Switchback29A1]

Track prep is definitely an issue. Ray's example of Johnny Pursleys flip at swainsboro in 16 "on a track that wasn't rough, just an aggressive surface." If swainsboro wasn't rough that night, I don't ever wanna see a rough track. They reworked it 3 times during the night trying to get it to smooth out....but drop was the real problem. Right..

[onlyfacts]

Ray needs to come clean on why he is doing this. Because it has nothing to do with safety. More to this than a couple cars rolling over. Before his Southern Nationals start he will not be on these rules because of lack of support from racers and promoters.

[Bubstr]

I'm sorry, but I don't see this rule being effective at reducing roll overs. It may even increase roll overs. The problem is short term thinking on a long term problem. First off, roll overs mostly come from the relationship of the center of gravity height and the roll centers and is intensified by good bite, side or forward. You can make a Go Kart bicycle or roll, as low as they are, so lowering the hike is basically a waste of time.

What will happen is, there will be a loss in side and forward bite. This will quickly addressed by the race teams. They will look at that roll center and center of gravity relationship to get that speed back. Move a little ballast and make a few adjustments and we have our potential roll over back quickly. The rule did no good for the intended purpose. Racers race on the edge, they will always do that.

Now if you was intending on making the big HP spread bore engines, that so many have already bought, worthless, it's a good start. It looks to be a rule that handicaps the back of the pack, crates or spec head engines to make them more competitive with the front runners. It's kinda like more spoiler for this one and less for that one, rules. Someone will get the short end on this rule. It looks like the racer that already bought the big engine.

[onlyfacts]

I'm sorry, but I don't see this rule being effective at reducing roll overs. It may even increase roll overs. The problem is short term thinking on a long term problem. First off, roll overs mostly come from the relationship of the center of gravity height and the roll centers and is intensified by good bite, side or forward. You can make a Go Kart bicycle or roll, as low as they are, so lowering the hike is basically a waste of time.What will happen is, there will be a loss in side and forward bite. This will quickly addressed by the race teams. They will look at that roll center and center of gravity relationship to get that speed back. Move a little ballast and make a few adjustments and we have our potential roll over back quickly. The rule did no good for the intended purpose. Racers race on the edge, they will always do that.Now if you was intending on making the big HP spread bore engines, that so many have already bought, worthless, it's a good start. It looks to be a rule that handicaps the back of the pack, crates or spec head engines to make them more competitive with the front runners. It's kinda like more spoiler for this one and less for that one, rules. Someone will get the short end on this rule. It looks like the racer that already bought the big engine.

I agree with all you said expect for the engine part. These rules will be over come with engineering and technology at a cost to the racers that want to keep up. Keep making rules and the costs will rise long term. Now for the engine part once the engineers and the Chassis builders figure out how to gain everything back those engines will still be on top. Even now a good spec engine to run Wissotta costs 30k. You can not stop people from spending money to get an edge. But what is going to happen now is people will be spending more trying to get an edge because every thing changed. Back before engineering and technology was an everyday thing you could limit racers with rules. But that was long ago before devices like you are using to read or respond to this post. How much does your smart phone cost today vs 15-20 years ago?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

There is a reason pavement cars have a left side max. For rollovers, the other way. Do I think this saves the day? No. But at least it is a simple try. If it slows cars down, even better. It at least sends teams in a new direction.

I like rules resets. It puts the smart guys up a step on the wallet guys. It's actually what the Rumley rules should have been.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Could lack of track prep(ruts and holes) be part of the problem? Maybe racers need a rule to force promoters to do some work????

The tracks are much dryer than 20 to 30 years ago.

[fastford]

Bubstr and only facts , your post are the best and most realistic of this entire thread ......

[fastford]

There is a reason pavement cars have a left side max. For rollovers, the other way. Do I think this saves the day? No. But at least it is a simple try. If it slows cars down, even better. It at least sends teams in a new direction.

I like rules resets. It puts the smart guys up a step on the wallet guys. It's actually what the Rumley rules should have been.

the rule reset can be good and bad , just like with rumley , if you come up with a idea that works and is simple for most racer,s to make themselves , then it will be banned because there is no money to be made , like I said , I like ray and give him credit for at least trying something , but I dont think this is the answer , and I surly dont know the answer myself , but I can see the race parts makers and engineers already licking their lips.......