Ray Cooks new droop rule

[Illtsate32]

It shouldnt matter what chassis you have if you are over 47.5 at full droop you have to change something whether it be deck mounts, underslung rail, shock lengths, chain, whatever, however if you car has no underslung rail, car guys would it matter if the car was jacked up under frame rail under driver or say the rear bumper? Would the deck height measure the same or could they be different depending where it was jacked up at?

[Illtsate32]

Theres no doubt some of these guys a$$ ends are pushing 5ft high...

[billetbirdcage]

It shouldnt matter what chassis you have if you are over 47.5 at full droop you have to change something whether it be deck mounts, underslung rail, shock lengths, chain, whatever, however if you car has no underslung rail, car guys would it matter if the car was jacked up under frame rail under driver or say the rear bumper? Would the deck height measure the same or could they be different depending where it was jacked up at?

Yes it matters, how much will depend on the situaltion.

Take for example: 2 exact identical cars set up just like Ray showed in the video, so perfectly legal and to the exact limit allowed.

The only difference is the RF shock package. One has a lot more rebound and zero point on the shock, so after the races and it's time to tech the cars. The one with the high rebound and zero point will still be compressed some from it's normal ride hieght on the RF. This car will be illegal (this could be easily 1 to 2" over the limit now) unless it's allowed enough time for the RF to come back to it's normal ride hieght.

This is gonna cause some issues during tech.

[billetbirdcage]

Not saying I have an issue with the rule, it's about how it's going to be policed and I see tons of issues that are going to happen during tech'ing that will cause some issues. Those will need to be clarified and addressed.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

It shouldnt matter what chassis you have if you are over 47.5 at full droop you have to change something whether it be deck mounts, underslung rail, shock lengths, chain, whatever, however if you car has no underslung rail, car guys would it matter if the car was jacked up under frame rail under driver or say the rear bumper? Would the deck height measure the same or could they be different depending where it was jacked up at?

When you lift closer to the rr wheel, the rr suspension will be compressed less and the chassis will be angled less left to right when you take the measurement. Both will effect the ultimate deck height as Ray proposes to measure it.

[blncfn57]

Not saying I have an issue with the rule, it's about how it's going to be policed and I see tons of issues that are going to happen during tech'ing that will cause some issues. Those will need to be clarified and addressed.

agreed. Ray has been around awhile, hopefully he has thought about the different scenarios and has a clear plan in place for tech.

[Kwd1253]

So do you think this rule is going to help the racing in any positive way? do you think we are going to take hike out of the car or just drop the deck down this rule will do nothing. How about you enforce the body rules and there is no need for a "Overton Rule".

Well this suppose to help cars being safer. I do agree with you, think they should do something about the bodies. Wedge body are going to get out of hand. Lot people think they have already and some don't. So far I haven't heard any series push for enforcing no wedge body rules. I don't know if you see ray enforce that rule. He is racer, if he likes it and lot other series not enforcing it, I'm sure he let teams keep doing it.

[Illtsate32]

When you lift closer to the rr wheel, the rr suspension will be compressed less and the chassis will be angled less left to right when you take the measurement. Both will effect the ultimate deck height as Ray proposes to measure it.

Then imo they should jack every car from same spot and allow a few min for bleed off of shocks...then measure, if the rf shock had little or a ton of rebound I don't think would matter cause either way your chain or rail will be that much closer or further to picking up the lr tire depending on what you got...I agree with what u said masters built I think if it becomes a rule across the board a lot of people's gna have to shorten the chain or dial down the shock package or lower their wedged rear deck..or a little of all 3...

[springborn81]

If anyone thinks this is going to help with roll overs, I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale at a good price.

[grt74]

with a pull down rig its not going to matter, youll be able to duplicate it at different heights, that is if you have good numbers to work from now

[MBR Performance]

News flash a chain is still a limiter and yes there are many cars out there without underslung or even provisions for one. Not very well thought out rules.

[Illtsate32]

If it helps getting the spoiler out of the air thats a plus...more concerned about the racing aspect if areo is a real thing in lm racing..witch at 100mph plus I believe it is...

[TALON75]

If a guy just lowers the LR deck a bit I don't see that helping with rollovers, as the chassis will still be posturing just as much as before. Sure it may have a bit less down force, but I doubt it's much at all.

[Krooser]

The rollovers I've seen had the LR high and the RF dug into the track and they pivoted on the RF nose...

[onlyfacts]

I think what Ray is doing he is starting a bumper business because now everyone’s frt bumper will be torn off... and my biggest question is how does lowering the front bumper help the cars from rolling over? If the bumper digs in harder wouldn’t that make the cars crash and the chance of roll over higher? Ray seems like a good guy just not sure he needs to be making rules for super late models.... maybe he needs to start a limited series.... oh......he already has.