Ray Cooks new droop rule

[grt74]

The shorter chain doesn't allow the rear to get up as high. It's been tested at Tri-County. Speed was the same, car was more stable.

i commend ray for what he wants to do, and ill always promote safety, but my question is this, did it make the car safer in the event of a roll over, the answer is no, the car still has a chance to flip and thats where it needs to be safer, (your just not going to stop that completely)
look at go carts, if that theory was correct they would never flip, unfortunately it happens
what needs to be corrected is when it flips (because it will happen from time to time, its uncontrollable)we make the roll cage where we can walk away,(for the most part)
I'm just trying to state facts, to all good luck and have a safe racing season, just my honest opinion
im also for teching cars also

[00Hdmn]

Bayco I believe almost always you are right but in this case it is in fact the reason Overton is starting off on the WoO tour. They posted an interview with Overton and he said it was a big reason they made their decision. I don’t blame them either and I don’t blame Cook, I think something needs to change to make it an even playing field but if the two major series do not embrace it then if your a national competitive team like the 116 team then you can’t take the chance of missing speed.

[onlyfacts]

Ray needs to come clean with the real reason for these rule changes... he is using Saftey as the coverup. The reason is to slow Brandon Overton and a couple other cars. But what he doesn’t get is that 116 would still be fast if he elected to run with the changes because that team is ahead of a lot of other teams in technology. With the rule changes technology will be more important. But for the saftey reasons he is no expert. I seen Jack Sullivan roll a guy over the opposite way. Do you think if that guys Deck was lower it would have kept him from rolling over?

[Illtsate32]

Flat decks 1 inch rake max on deck and roof...I think they need to tame the rf somehow..they collapse it that is just a big of problem as lr..these cars are biting so hard through the corner..even Pierce bounces through the corner with the lr coming off the ground and he dont really have the lr hiked up like most...

[Drop Shock]

The shorter chain doesn't allow the rear to get up as high. It's been tested at Tri-County. Speed was the same, car was more stable.

If the track was wet then the speed should be close to the same. Tell Ray to take an inch and half of drop out of his car and try to compete anywhere in the country on slick feature track conditions.

[hucktyson]

Where you will see the difference is places like Pittsburgh , Knoxville , eldora etc when it gets slick. The concept that Overton was going to run 5k to win shows 150 miles from home against competition he regularly beats and now he's going to run for 10k plus 1500 miles from home against extremely tough competition over limiting hike is absurd. They need to make the cars 36" front to back period, no dished front ends period. Flat ears on both sides period . That is very easy to tech. People say well if I run a 2000lb zero point my car is going to measure higher right after the race than it will in 5 min .... guess wht dude ??? Either back your rebound off or check your height with your car in the bump stop it's not brain surgery. You guys all throw this stupidity that an engineer with enough money can make a 375 spring without a bump stomp on a shock with a 50 pound zero point that blows off at 250 perform exactly like a stacked spring with a bump stop and a shock that makes 1200lb zero and blows off at 1800 ...... Bull$hit. The only one benefitting by stacked springs and bump stops are the guys selling them , the guys selling coil loaders , the guys selling data acquisition and the guys selling motors. You guys say the same
Cars are going to win no matter what and for the most part I agree ... so why spend 10's of thousands testing all of that stuff only to have the same guys win anyway ?? Just doing the math if your car made 400k in race winnings and you had a paid crew you are LOSING money without sponsors kicking in another couple hundred k. So you make what you call a " business " into what is really just an expensive hobby for anyone outside of Ronnie Stuckey , Bloomquist , Richards and the guys paid to drive lol.

[COKEandaSMILE]

Apparently you have yet to read the Overton interview on DoD, he specifically mentions the reasoning for their decision.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Only facts,

Getting rammed head on is pretty rare. Cars rolling mid turn is not.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Where you will see the difference is places like Pittsburgh , Knoxville , eldora etc when it gets slick. The concept that Overton was going to run 5k to win shows 150 miles from home against competition he regularly beats and now he's going to run for 10k plus 1500 miles from home against extremely tough competition over limiting hike is absurd. They need to make the cars 36" front to back period, no dished front ends period. Flat ears on both sides period . That is very easy to tech. People say well if I run a 2000lb zero point my car is going to measure higher right after the race than it will in 5 min .... guess wht dude ??? Either back your rebound off or check your height with your car in the bump stop it's not brain surgery. You guys all throw this stupidity that an engineer with enough money can make a 375 spring without a bump stomp on a shock with a 50 pound zero point that blows off at 250 perform exactly like a stacked spring with a bump stop and a shock that makes 1200lb zero and blows off at 1800 ...... Bull$hit. The only one benefitting by stacked springs and bump stops are the guys selling them , the guys selling coil loaders , the guys selling data acquisition and the guys selling motors. You guys say the same
Cars are going to win no matter what and for the most part I agree ... so why spend 10's of thousands testing all of that stuff only to have the same guys win anyway ?? Just doing the math if your car made 400k in race winnings and you had a paid crew you are LOSING money without sponsors kicking in another couple hundred k. So you make what you call a " business " into what is really just an expensive hobby for anyone outside of Ronnie Stuckey , Bloomquist , Richards and the guys paid to drive lol.

Who is going to Dyno shocks after a race? Actually, there is one way to do what you call impossible above, but it wouldn't take long to be discovered unless you were very creative.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

When this rule came out at PRI everyone there was already calling it the Overton amendment,
even Mark Richards

That doesn't make it true. I don't recall Overton even stinking up Cook races all that bad compared to what he should. Fact is he belongs on one of the top 2 tours anyway.

[hucktyson]

Let me guess make a canteliver set up that came over and gets stuck in the full compression position ?? Anyway around that shock and spring could quickly be legislated against.

[Jking24]

Personally I'm with Steve Francis if they would go back a couple of years and enforce the rules that were already in place aswell as the ones that are still left in the book most of this wouldn't be possible but they look the other way. calling it the Overton rule is probably fitting because their the team that's pushing it the most but their far from the only ones. But if they won't enforce the rule what does it matter how far someone went in any one direction. I was at the world finals this year and their were probably 20 cars their that would pass every current body rule and non of them made the show. I'm not picking on any one but the 116 was parked right near us their car was in no way legal and they had it toned down a bit from its usual stance but they were allowed to race without issue and i don't blame them or anyone else for pushing were racers that's what we do. I was in tech after Saturday's feature and i promise you non of the top five would've passed an honest tech. I personally don't think the hike is the main contributor to the cars turning over. People just don't work on their cars. every late model has this thing in the middle of the car called a j bar and their are times when it needs moved allot!. Also we've just plain and simple learned how to stick the cars better and people are to lazy or uneducated to free up. If you don't know how to change your car maybe you shouldn't be in a latemodel. Most of the roll overs you see are from exactly what Ray said in his video guys get these newer cars or setups and they don't know how to drive the car for the conditions. Its for this very reason other types of racing have licensing levels in place. I'm not saying we need this but i don't think we need to take the cars back nearly 20 years to accomplish this ray said they took a 1 1/2 of hike or drop what ever you prefer to call it out of the car to make it legal. Well maybe I'm a little behind the curve but that would take the average chassis to a number lower then most of us have ever raced on. What I'm trying to say is since things have started evolving in that direction we haven't added that much hike to the cars the deck is that high through several advancements not just drop. Sorry for the rambling but i really feel he has good intentions but this is the wrong thing to do for his series

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Let me guess make a canteliver set up that came over and gets stuck in the full compression position ?? Anyway around that shock and spring could quickly be legislated against.

I had 2 ideas much more elegant than that. But, sure.

[Illtsate32]

What kind of u-joints do these guys have for the pinion angle they are running with this trend is what I want to know...our used to get eaten alive when we would push the angle...

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

What kind of u-joints do these guys have for the pinion angle they are running with this trend is what I want to know...our used to get eaten alive when we would push the angle...

The rear joint is actually lined up pretty well.