7 super late models at Farmer City

[Cardirt0]

Only 14 supers at FALS tonight for $2000 to win.

If they down you know its bad.

[Illtsate32]

I blame it on video games. I mean come on look at the people that still go to the Dirt track races. They are mostly old farts like the people on this thread. It's much easier for the kids and takes a lot less effort to stay home and play video games.

All kidding aside purses have stayed the same for years and the teams expenses have gone up. There are too many choices for the entertainment dollar these days and late Model races are not popular with the youngsters. You can't raise the pay outs if you can't pack the stand every week. Lower classes pay less to win. Can't blame it on the promoter because little Johnny has a Baseball, soccer, lacrosse, etc game and Mom and Dad are going to watch him.

Right its a combination of that and a culture where they are discouraging and demonizing masculinity in our boys...

[Kwd1253]

You cant just blame creates and limited. The real reason

1. Its the cost of getting one and up keep.
2. Payout for weekly shows are way to low on the bottom end.
3.promoters and promoting
4. Track owners/prepping

5. The people, you raise the weekly price people start crying, But yet they want supers weekly for $10-20 per adult, $5 for kids get in gate. Ass hole people at tracks. People left tracks don't return because of them. Not getting new people to come but that falls under promoters and track.

6. Finding enough sponsors to piss money away on it.

You talking about 7 super, wait until you only have 7 limited or creates showing up. What are you going blame it on then. How people talk down on create and limited every track should have 20-40 weekly. Wait there not, because people can't really afford that any more as well. It feaking cost 30k to run against top super stocks. Sorry creates not the problem, the problem started before that no one wanted do anything about then, no one doing anything about it now. I think so laugh able hear a national team cry about how much it costs when they are the ones push the price tag up.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

You don't need 900 hp to have good racing. If crate is what it takes to keep L/M a live then race crates. They just need to inspect the engines. A couple of weeks ago F/C only had 4 late models showed up. Another track was runing L/M but was rained out. 2 L/M went to F/C for the feature making a total of 6. Their were around 15 crates there that night. So which would you rather have 4 racing or 15 racing?

I'd rather have 19 in one class.

[Kwd1253]

MB who can really afford run supers. You should know the full price tag run one a full season.

[Kwd1253]

Exactly, I wouldn't say they caused what has happened, but they stood at the door to the theater and yelled fire and watched everyone run out. The Fastrak dude is the one who gets me, he sold crate as a class for those with less funding, the blue collar guy, the guy who quit. Then turned around and offered purses better than Super was offering weekly, so it made sense to quit Super & Limited and run crate. Now there is a whole cottage industry built around Crate and they won't go down easy. I refuse to support a 602 class of any kind, they suck and are made from junk. Anyway, I feel you.

But no one did anything about that why they made creates and limited. Everyone knew it was the slow death of late model racing. It was a band-aid to fix the bullet hole. Not fixing the real problems.

[dangerdann]

The problem is you don't have the little guys anymore that want to work hard to get faster, everyone wants to buy speed and win. It does cost a lot but with car counts the way they are its actually better for the little guy and I can say this because I'm doing it. I have been having a good year 4 top 10s and 1 top 5 with an 08 rayburn with a 357 steel block all done by myself.i know I'm not going to win but I love racing hard and doing the best I can.i will hopefully back to fals next week.

[kidrock]

I'm curious if anyone thinks the fans would pay 20.00 at a weekly show if there was 25 to 30 supers every week?

[Kwd1253]

I'm curious if anyone thinks the fans would pay 20.00 at a weekly show if there was 25 to 30 supers every week?

Most won't, you have pay more than 20 to field 25-30 supers unless you can fill every seat.

[Gary]

Below is an add to sell a used engine of a local weekly dirt track racer. If this is what a used engine is going for, then what does a new one cost? Add the cost of everything else on the car and you're probably talking about 60 to 80k for a local racer plus the weekly cost of running. I don't see how local racers could afford to do this.

430 13/11 degree pro prower standard bore. Have had motor for 2 years bought brand new from pro power. It only has right under 200 laps on it since fresh. Won Florence Speedway a few weeks ago. And won Florence Speedway championship. $20,000 FIRM. Also can still hear motor run in car. We will run it until sold!

[kidrock]

Most won't, you have pay more than 20 to field 25-30 supers unless you can fill every seat.

What if here in Illinois we had Babb, Feger, Sheppard, Pierce, Erb Jr, Hackensat Jr, Shirley, Unzicker, Spatola, Weaver every week at your local track do you think they could fill the place at 20.00 a ticket

[rickybrown1952]

What if here in Illinois we had Babb, Feger, Sheppard, Pierce, Erb Jr, Hackensat Jr, Shirley, Unzicker, Spatola, Weaver every week at your local track do you think they could fill the place at 20.00 a ticket

Maybe I think that would work out better if for a regular it was 16.00 for G.A.

[kidrock]

Maybe I think that would work out better if for a regular it was 16.00 for G.A.

What would the payout be 1- 20? and what you need to pay to get that caliber of drivers to show up week in and week out.

[Kwd1253]

What if here in Illinois we had Babb, Feger, Sheppard, Pierce, Erb Jr, Hackensat Jr, Shirley, Unzicker, Spatola, Weaver every week at your local track do you think they could fill the place at 20.00 a ticket

I would pay that every week. Charge me $25 I'm in

[Zonks32x]

What if here in Illinois we had Babb, Feger, Sheppard, Pierce, Erb Jr, Hackensat Jr, Shirley, Unzicker, Spatola, Weaver every week at your local track do you think they could fill the place at 20.00 a ticket

You did....6 years ago.

Fortunately or unfortunately....depending on your view, four of those guys went to race a national tour full-time.

If...I was a track promotor in IL, I'd try to get 4 tracks on the same page...and alternate every other week.

$3k to win, $300 to start, 35 laps.
$15 adult admission

Week 1: Sycamore and Fals
Week 2: Jacksonville and Farner City
Repeat...

If you want to get really ambitious...add Tri-City and I-55 to the mix and go on a 3 week rotation.

Not saying it has to be those 6 tracks. I know you also have Macon, LaSalle, etc.

You'll draw 24+ cars every show. Put a point fund together and add a couple contingency sponsors and you're in business.

Add a couple 5k to win, $500 to start, 50 lap specials to the mix, and charge $18-$20 for adult admission.

It's pretty simple. Would you rather pay $12 every week to see 7 late models???..or pay $15-$20 every other week to see a full field of quality cars?

Want to curb cost for drivers, go to a hard tire rule.