This guy gets it!

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I have hands on experience with telemetry. It only tells you so much on dirt. There is a ton of noise you have to filter out because the surface is so rough, the cars are constantly in a hiked position which interferes with the accelerometers, and the suspensions just don't move that much. That means that you're looking at very minute changes and the track is constantly changing throughout a testing session so it's hard to know what is from the suspension change and what is from the track changing.

Also, it's more than just throwing a sensor on a car. It can take multiple hours to get a car wired up. We have a $7k kit that has sensors for four shocks, fifth coil, throttle, brake, steering, and g-forces. It can take two guys a full day to get everything hooked up and calibrated on a car.

You pay the smart guy to know what to do with it. Point proven.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

If you suck and have a great car, you still suck. Everyone else has a great car too. There is no excuse to suck because your car is bad anymore. That's the difference.

[mcarter815]

The fact you think telemetry is some magic wand you can wave over a car and it will reveal all its secrets tells me you don't have experience with it. The best use for telemetry is in teaching new drivers how to drive the car. It's easy to compare an experienced driver's inputs with a new driver's inputs and shorten the learning curve.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

The fact you think telemetry is some magic wand you can wave over a car and it will reveal all its secrets tells me you don't have experience with it. The best use for telemetry is in teaching new drivers how to drive the car. It's easy to compare an experienced driver's inputs with a new driver's inputs and shorten the learning curve.

You called it a magic wand. Not I. Some things do stick out like a sore thumb.

[mcarter815]

You don't tell that shock guy what you want. He can tell you. If he can't see it, he can bolt sensors on and let you know.

That sure sounds like calling telemetry a magic wand to me.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

It can help show a guy what he is doing wrong. It can also show you damping problems, frequency issues, etc.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

That sure sounds like calling telemetry a magic wand to me.

It tells you stuff the naked eye can't see. It's a tool. Just like your stopwatch and your eyes and ears. In the event those aren't good enough, it can sure help.

[mcarter815]

Right, it's just a tool. You're making it sound like the driver's feedback isn't useful, which is wrong.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Right, it's just a tool. You're making it sound like the driver's feedback isn't useful, which is wrong.

It may or may not be. Some drivers feedback is detrimental.

[Rocky]

If you suck and have a great car, you still suck. Everyone else has a great car too. There is no excuse to suck because your car is bad anymore. That's the difference.

Uhh I don’t have a great car. But that’s not why I suck. I bet it doesn’t help but these drivers, they were bred to race. Look at a typical 20 year old LM driver, he’s got 15 years racing experience and 5 or 6 years in late models. Everybody has to buy a car, but there’s no substitute for experience. The easiest way for me to buy speed would be to go over to Albemarle speedway and hire a 16 year old. Eventually it’s gonna come to that too if I wanna continue to own a Late Model.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I was speaking in general Rocky. It was in response to not winning with an xr1.

[Rocky]

I know. I was just playing a little Devil’s advocate. Brian totally admits he sucks lol.

[Rocky]

To be fair he’s gotten a lot better though. Not something I can say about myself. I have gotten a little better. But we’re totally the jabronies that Hot Carl is talking about. In limiteds even (not crates but he’s got a crate car too). I got the 20 year old car that hasn’t been on the jig in 15 years and he’s got the $40,000 roller.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

I hear you. My main point was new guys used to look really bad. Often you could see their cars were a hot mess. Now days, it's easy to get what you need to have a car that works pretty well out of the box. Spencer, though improved, doesn't win. But, he isn't plowing the nose around the track either. Honestly, his car looks like it drives better than average.

The cars used to be so unbalanced that the front and rear didn't work together, but the two kinda matched upat a certain corner speed. When the rack slowed down 3 tenths, a car that seemed good went junk on balance. Thanks to advancement and aero load, lap time means little to balance, when compared to 15 years ago.

[Rocky]

I am buying a newer race car this winter I totally don’t think I am giving myself much of a chance with what I have. I don’t think I am gonna win or anything I just want a newer, better car. What would I do if Late Model went crate here? Get a modified. That’s what.