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[TeamGRT12x]

The two prominent photos shared from the broadcast, and one infield photo, are both so far from where any start finish line would be, none of them could be used to determine the finish. That being said, transponders don't lie, and if there was a huge issue, it could be appealed to Lucas.

[SLlDlNG SIDEWAYS]

^ this is a more then likely spot on. in that case, why take photos at the flags stand and call it a photo finish?

[ImCryn2]

I can honestly say this decision is the biggest load of crap I have ever seen in DLM racing. This is beyond pathetic, and its even worse that people say its where the transponder line is. Why have a stupid start finish line? why have a checkered flag? Why lead us to believe the race ends at the flag stand? So I guess we will NEVER see a photo finish again, it doesn't matter what our eyes see, We are to trust the transponder results, use the transponders during the race, common sense says the winner is who crosses the start-finish line first.

The Rocket 1 won a race at Davenport where it appeared they got 2nd, but the transponder said different. Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug. Personally, I want more definitive results than someones blurred vision, the transponder does that.

[billetbirdcage]

The Rocket 1 won a race at Davenport where it appeared they got 2nd, but the transponder said different. Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug. Personally, I want more definitive results than someones blurred vision, the transponder does that.

That's because the transponders where not in the same place on the car, one had the transponder mount farther back then was allowed and the other was as forward as allowed (something to that effect)

That's why they checked transponders on both cars this time. I know once at Magnolia in a heat race coming to the finish for the final transfer spot between 2 cars. You could clearly see the other car beat BMJ to the line by 1/2 a car, Shelton was announcing and said other car gets the transfer as it was clear as day, but then saw the scoring monitor show BMJ and you could clearly see/hear Ben was confused. Well come to find out BMJ's crew put the transponder on the bumper when it was supposed to be on the axle.

Now if this haven't been so clear by eye to everyone that it was wrong, BMJ would have gotten the transfer spot as no one would have looked to see it was in the wrong spot.

I still say like many the transponder is what we should go off of, but there needs to be a clear marking where the transponder line/finish line actually is so the fans know. Either clearly mark the transponder line as the finish or move the transponder line to the actual finish line and be done with it.

[billetbirdcage]

Here is a question that should be asked?

Do all the chassis have the front of the frame where the bumper attaches (where they say the transponder has to go) the same length to the front of the nose? Meaning say a rocket has a shorter frame and a longer bumper vs a longhorn that has a longer frame and shorter bumper?

So do teams need to start making the frames longer and the bumpers shorter? I can see an extended frame and a 4" long bumper coming soon, lol

[Snake X3]

There is plenty of integrity in this sport. You have to look know further than Hudson O'neal and there are plenty of others.

No matter the result, it was a great race. The only reason any of this is even being discussed is because of what a tremendous race this was. Shame someone had to lose. Schwallie has a very tough job. No matter what he did, he was going to lose.

[ride height]

The variables involved should automatically make it clear that transponders should not be used as an absolute finish line end of the race. Mark the finish line so everyone knows and video tape or photograph the end of the race at the official finish line. It’s all pretty basic common sense. You measure a win by the nose of the car, not a transponder further back on the car. What racing fan or contestant ever saw a race where it didn’t end on a defined finish line which is normally directly under the waving checkered flag?

[Highside Hustler25]

If you could just put the cameras directly behind the flagstand, problem solved.
Then again, not all tracks have seating behind the flagstand. Most tracks were built long before they ever thought they'd have cameras filming the race.

[kidrock]

What's wrong with making the finish line in the exact same location of the timing and scoring loop. That way it will make some happy. I didn't even care where the finish line was. It was just a fun race and exciting finish. I hope I see the same thing at the next race. This will really get some going. I read on DoD where a guy said the flag stand is just a decorative spot where the checkered flag is waved in this electronic data racing world.

[Highside Hustler25]

Unfortunately Kid, that last sentence is now reality.

[jog49]

"I highly doubt every car has the transponder mounted exactly the same distance from the tip of the nose."

For 0.002 seconds, the transponder must be PRECISELY the same distance from the nose. Even a fraction of an inch could account for that small amount of time separation. But back in the day when Adam & Eve sponsored the first dirt track race on Earth, there was an imaginary start/finish line at the flag stand. If the second feed of the scoring loop is not on that line, then the transponder ain't worth its weight!

[Snake X3]

"I highly doubt every car has the transponder mounted exactly the same distance from the tip of the nose."

For 0.002 seconds, the transponder must be PRECISELY the same distance from the nose. Even a fraction of an inch could account for that small amount of time separation. But back in the day when Adam & Eve sponsored the first dirt track race on Earth, there was an imaginary start/finish line at the flag stand. If the second feed of the scoring loop is not on that line, then the transponder ain't worth its weight!

Well, you do the best you can. Eventually this was bound to happen, but they'll deal with it. Schwallie is a pro. They'll get it worked out. WoO probably will as well. I'm sure all the tracks are taking notes.

[ride height]

Let’s hope they do get it worked out. I’d think they’d be motivated to have a fool proof way to eliminate any disagreements, thus covering their own butts, and also eliminating the need for a bottle of Excedrin. Yes, the race was a dandy. I’m not sure the real winner was given the awards, but as long as they are moving to fix the issue, that’s all you can ask for. The 1 car was sure cordial about it and didn’t need a waaaambulance. Hats off to both of those drivers. This sport has gotten into stratosphere money to be able to participate in, so let’s please install a real finish line that everyone can see, and use the horse race method to make sure the true first car to the line gets the roses.

[kidrock]

Unfortunately Kid, that last sentence is now reality.

Yes the electronic world has changed racing like everything else in this world.

[GrocMax]

At 100MPH .002 seconds is 3.52 inches. There ain't a transponder cable anywhere that's perfectly perpendicular to the track. They move around even if they were initially installed by a pro surveyor with high end precision GPS. Most of them are installed by eyeball and hand and NEVER re-installed or re-surveyed until they fail. Can't find the rule for F1, but NASCRAP reverts to a photo finish when its that close. And it's the nose. Horse/dog racing, Indy, pretty much all track and field athletics, etc. All Photo. Transponders DO lie, we've all seen it, it's rare, but it happens.