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Why not qualify everyone and divide into heats as usual and then pull an invert pill of 6,8,10 and then do passing points if you insist on that absurdity ?? Even 2 rounds of that ?? Pulling numbers out of a hat makes for radically different strength levels of each heat race and isn't fair for guys towing 10 hours. To prevent sandbagging make the fast 2 times locked in on the front row like the old dtwc format !!
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Just do it the way I-80 does it. No time trials to deal with. Which would also save the track. -
How do you get even strength heat races without time trials ??Comment
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Huck. just look at there format. You race to get in. All passing points. Two heats for all drivers. Invert heats so you race against different drivers and positions. Top 16 to 20 in passing points locked in the first night.Comment
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Knoxville by far has the best format.. Points for Quailifing then heats are top 8 invert with points for finish of heat then top 8 in points from Quailifing and Heats get invert for Prelimary feature with points for that... Add Quailifing, heat and Feature points together and that is how they line up the 100 lapper... Best format period. I am sure someone can explain it more in detail but what you don't get at Knoxville is heat, prelimary or A Main with stacked or unstacked because of pill draw. If you haven't made the trip put it on your bucket list because Knoxville is the best track with the best format with some of the best racing anywhere.Comment
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The only part that I don't like is Qualifying. It sucks!!!! Straight up racing to get in.Comment
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Quailifing is necessary to eliminate stacked and unstacked heats... Pill draw doesn't work. Eldora had some heats loaded and some were really weak because of pill draw group Quailifing.Originally posted by plunks7 View PostComment
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Re-Read post #4 please. Not arguing with you. But it certainly helps out with the Lower funding Teams. Race your way in!!!! Not by Timing. It is racing right? It's beginning to be like Nascrap. There is only about 7 to 10 guys that win. If you take these guys and have their own feature. It would be a Great show. If you take the next 25 to 30 that would be one FANTASTIC race. It would be much harder to pick a winner out of the 2nd group. Not many people would know who they are!!!!Originally posted by onlyfacts View Post
If you go back to when racing was racing. With none of this chassis B.S. and Tire Crap. And when any driver would help out his fellow competitor. The fastest car started in the BACK. Now you have the so-called big shots crying because they don't want to race there way in. They rely on timing. What a joke!!!!! So as I see it the real racers came from back in the GLORY days. Those drivers Never said a thing starting in the back. Those were the drivers that were very proud starting in the back. Because they knew they were the top Dawg for that night. How proud was that driver starting 24th and winning. Compared to timing fast and starting out front. LONG LIVE THE GOOD OLE DAYS!!!!!!!!! Sorry had to vent a little bit. I've been having a rough go for the last couple of weeks.Comment
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Back in the good ol days you also had guys that stunk up the field. They would start in the back and lap the field. And there were still 5 or 6 guys that did the winning. You had 40 cars show up for a late model race and 15 of them would be pure stocks, 15 of them would be superstocks and 10 of them would be redneck engineered late models that hoped this weeks 8th grade geometry/physics experiment leads them to victory. We forget as time goes on the bad parts of the good ol days.. We don't get reminded of them because 4m and Facebook haven't been around long enough to rub it in our faces every throw back Thursday. Believe it or not there is better competition throughout the field and more drivers with a shot at winning now days even with less cars in the fields than there was 20-30 years ago.Comment
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Guess we might as well make dirt late racing a democratic Obama platform. Where we take from the rich or better teams and give to the poor or less prepared teams. Great plan. Might as well do handicaping as well Davenport proably at -2 laps handcap in 100 lap races that way it will make things more fair. The Democratic Obama Dirt Late Model Series. DODLMSOriginally posted by plunks7 View PostLast edited by onlyfacts; 09-18-2015, 01:27 AM.Comment
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So you think a low buck team going to a race and having a stacked heat where 3 or 4 national stars end up in the b main is helping them out ??? Having an even amount of fast cars in every heat is the most fair thing you can do to help out the little guy.Comment
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With this stacked heat mega invert format it's entirely possible that the fastest car doesn't even make the show. Under a sane format of having even strength heat races as established by qualifying most of the super fast guys transfer through their heat which gives the " low buck " guy a much better chance in the b main. Under your concept you might have 6 superstars in a b main that were fast enough to transfer through the heat but started too far back ... I'm a conservative so I want equal opportunity where clearly you are a radical leftist and you want equal results ...Comment
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Double heats with passing points is the way to go. Your second heat is inverted by how you STARTED the first heat. Also they mix it up so there is different competition in each heat. Your first heat might by stacked, but your 2nd won't be and vice versa. Some guys struggle with it, but most don't.
If you win one of your heats, you are in the show basically. In the 5 years for the SDN. A heat winner has never not qualified for the A main. A few have had to run the b main, but they were usually on the front row anyway.
The key to this format working is having the right track to race on. You can't take this format anywhere in the country and expect it to work. Mostly because tracks don't know how to prep for it and some tracks aren't racey no matter how you slice it.Last edited by huskerdirt; 09-18-2015, 05:26 AM.Comment
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what do u call a lower funding team if they are showing up to race with national touring race cars they are there to race. so they should have plenty of tires and shocks or least being handed down other then that nobody has any sympathy for them, but they happy there giving it there best.Comment
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I didn't say give anyone a fuking handout !!! I said equal opportunity by having even strength heat races !!! That's all !!! Pulling numbers out of a hat results in uneven heat races . How are you people soo fuking stupid as to not understand that basic concept ???Comment
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