Format idea

[onlyfacts]

Seems the racer don't want to have to pass cars to qualify because they pay the bills. Seems the race fan doesn't want to see a race with out passing, because they pays the bills. Seems the track promoter doesn't want to put forth enough effort, in some cases, to make a track that races well for the whole night, because he pays the bills.Put it anyway you wish, but the fan pays the bill, $20 to $30 a ticket. If the fan ain't happy, no one is happy. When they stop paying for dull races, they will go away. The different formats work for different tracks, some better than others, but the most exciting races all have at least one thing in common, a well prepared track, that has multiple grooves. If not, they at least have the ability to throw sliders to pass. The track I won't go to is the low side locked down track. No matter what is done, you can't make a silk purse out of a Sow's ear.

Without car owners those fans are going to be wondering what happened to the cars and not happy watching a few rich teams play with their toys. You can not use a handicap pill draw system and make it work nation wide... It worked at I-80 but that doesn't mean it will work at every race track across America. And as far as the best races I have ever seen has come from straight up formats like Faibury, eastbay, Volusia or Knoxville with their point system which I s by far in a different league than any other invert, pill draw, passing points, heat group Qualifing BS. No other form of major league Motorsports has these handicap systems.

[let-r-eat]

I like the group qualifying. They just need to have more groups. Each heat race count should be a group. A race with 36 cars and 4 heats should have 4 groups. Qualify and line up the heat races on where a driver finishes within that group.

Let the fast time from each group choose a pill for which heat they will be in (1,2,3,4) Cars 2-9 will fall from there and one for the inversion *inversion # can only be as high as the transfer positions for that night, IE 3 transfer from heats then inversion can't be over 3..... The overall fast time means a last place starting spot in the feature guarantee only.

Passing points should be used for provisional positions ONLY. So if you are a fast qualifier and get caught up in the inversion and pass but don't qualify in the heat you accumulate points for doing so. Not qualifying in the B main would then go back to points for the provisional's, combined points from heats/b mains. I don't believe in giving anyone anything for making the trip or being a part of the series. You must race your way into one of my features. That would also give the local guys the additional chance to transfer. Highest point getting in the series that failed, highest home track point car that fails to qualify doesn't deserve anything but a bus ride home like all the others who fail to qualify the night of the race. IMO.

You can pull an invert for the feature with a # that can be no higher than the number of heats that night. That means that no individual heat winner gets an advantage based on which heat they win. The field lineups will be based on those inverts.

[Bubstr]

Without car owners those fans are going to be wondering what happened to the cars and not happy watching a few rich teams play with their toys. You can not use a handicap pill draw system and make it work nation wide... It worked at I-80 but that doesn't mean it will work at every race track across America. And as far as the best races I have ever seen has come from straight up formats like Faibury, eastbay, Volusia or Knoxville with their point system which I s by far in a different league than any other invert, pill draw, passing points, heat group Qualifing BS. No other form of major league Motorsports has these handicap systems.

Fairbury inverted 4 for the PDC this year. Volusia runs WOO rules and there is a invert of 4 for the features. Knoxville inverts 8 for the qualifying heats on both qualifying nights, used to be a 10 invert. And East bay uses LOLM strait up starts and pretty much puts on mostly snoozers and a big reason, I skip them when down for speed weeks. Notice, every track you mentioned is a very racey track, except one. I80's format worked well for PRP special. Put it back on my bucket list.

We already have owners pulling out, because the pay outs aren't enough. No fans equals not enough money for bigger pay outs. All I can say, is the tracks, owners and fans need to at least support the good shows so they don't fade away.

[Barbecueboy]

Without car owners those fans are going to be wondering what happened to the cars and not happy watching a few rich teams play with their toys. You can not use a handicap pill draw system and make it work nation wide... It worked at I-80 but that doesn't mean it will work at every race track across America. And as far as the best races I have ever seen has come from straight up formats like Faibury, eastbay, Volusia or Knoxville with their point system which I s by far in a different league than any other invert, pill draw, passing points, heat group Qualifing BS. No other form of major league Motorsports has these handicap systems.

True racers will always find a race to race in and I will always find a way to be a part of it.....if the owners want to price themselves out of business then go ahead, I'm perfectly fine with it.

I'll just the find the real racers........they will be racing somewhere in something........racing is a lifestyle and in some cases a family tradition, it's not going anywhere.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit to watch Saturday nights full of great hobby stock or sportsman racing.

To bubsters point, as soon as the the big time racing guys ( all facets)realize that they need us more than we need them touring racing will become instantly better and as a crew chief friend of mine says" more better than good".

[Baddboy1]

True racers will always find a race to race in and I will always find a way to be a part of it.....if the owners want to price themselves out of business then go ahead, I'm perfectly fine with it.

I'll just the find the real racers........they will be racing somewhere in something........racing is a lifestyle and in some cases a family tradition, it's not going anywhere.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit to watch Saturday nights full of great hobby stock or sportsman racing.

To bubsters point, as soon as the the big time racing guys ( all facets)realize that they need us more than we need them touring racing will become instantly better and as a crew chief friend of mine says" more better than good".

Great post. My family has been racing since 1958. We are in the 5th generation of drivers.We have raced dirt street stocks,bombers(cage and stock engines),4 cylinders, Modifieds(currently UMP),Super Late Model,Sportsman, and dirt trucks. I enjoy an Saturday night at Fairbury for a regular show as much as a special.Great racing and plenty of action.I have not gone to a big show in 5 years and don't miss them at all.Too many out spending the others.I enjoyed the build it all yourself days.Had much more fun and was less stressful.