Format idea

[huskerdirt]

I didn't say give anyone a fuking handout !!! I said equal opportunity by having even strength heat races !!! That's all !!! Pulling numbers out of a hat results in uneven heat races . How are you people soo fuking stupid as to not understand that basic concept ???

No heat race ever will be even strength for you.

Now go let your rage out by lifting some weights and b!tching about how the help you hire can't hack it.

[hucktyson]

A heat race that is lined up by going down the qualifying list from
Top to bottom as has been done for generations by definition creates even heat races. Granted some fast guys may qualify poorly on a given night and they may slightly skew some but that would be the exception. And you are correct that the guys I hire can't " hack it " a guy half as good and half as productive as me would make 150k working here and that's unheard of in residential construction. But in bam bams America people don't want to work because their radical islamofascist leader told them they don't have to work ...

[hucktyson]

And it's 7:51 fella ... I left the gym an hour ago ...

[TALON75]

Know your history or your doomed to repeat it! The reason you have the format like it is now is because qualifing 100 plus cars always gave the advantage to the early draws. Now they group qualify so the track is relatively the same for your group. Your system would not work out the way you describe, it would still come down to the luck of the draw for qualifing order.

I say they keep it the same except the final night heats need to be straight up. Everyone has spent two days earning there spots, no need to invert at that point.

[lmfan71]

Why would a top tier team want to start in the back, and have to risk tearing his equipment up. Can't blame them one bit, having to pass the slower out of control cars. Just like at Eldora the slower cars are a hazard, nothing against them for trying it once, but it is dangerous.

[Barbecueboy]

A heat race that is lined up by going down the qualifying list from
Top to bottom as has been done for generations by definition creates even heat races. Granted some fast guys may qualify poorly on a given night and they may slightly skew some but that would be the exception. And you are correct that the guys I hire can't " hack it " a guy half as good and half as productive as me would make 150k working here and that's unheard of in residential construction. But in bam bams America people don't want to work because their radical islamofascist leader told them they don't have to work ...

So who told you that you didn't have to race but could still call yourself a racer???

Vroom , vroom,vroom,..........watch out for the pushmower and weed whacker while your garage hotlappin this morning.

They are both pissed you ran them into the shovel and rake last race.

[25drtrkr]

Know your history or your doomed to repeat it! The reason you have the format like it is now is because qualifing 100 plus cars always gave the advantage to the early draws. Now they group qualify so the track is relatively the same for your group. Your system would not work out the way you describe, it would still come down to the luck of the draw for qualifing order.

I say they keep it the same except the final night heats need to be straight up. Everyone has spent two days earning there spots, no need to invert at that point.

Listen up.....that's a racer/crew member talkin! Good post Talon!

[Barbecueboy]

Listen up.....that's a racer/crew member talkin! Good post Talon!

Talon speaks the truth..........hucky speaks aloof.

[onlyfacts]

Know your history or your doomed to repeat it! The reason you have the format like it is now is because qualifing 100 plus cars always gave the advantage to the early draws. Now they group qualify so the track is relatively the same for your group. Your system would not work out the way you describe, it would still come down to the luck of the draw for qualifing order. I say they keep it the same except the final night heats need to be straight up. Everyone has spent two days earning there spots, no need to invert at that point.

You must be talking A and B group type of format. Not heat group Quailifing big difference. A and b group is half the field qualifing against each other which is a good system... Group Quailifing by heat race draw is completely different... Your are only Quailifing against the cars that drew in order for that heat... This doesn't not work because heats end up with cars by luck of draw. 12 hears at Eldora some had 5-6 cars within .2 tenths of each other and some had fast time guy .5-6 tenths better than the next and the next guy .5-6 tenths better than the next. But you are correct if you are referring to A and B group Quailifing that system seems to work. Formats like I-80 only works if the track is prepared right and the track is shaped to be one groove... Unfortunately not all tracks are that way.

[plunks7]

Why would a top tier team want to start in the back, and have to risk tearing his equipment up. Can't blame them one bit, having to pass the slower out of control cars. Just like at Eldora the slower cars are a hazard, nothing against them for trying it once, but it is dangerous.

See that's the difference between a top "Tear" driver to me. If your so fricking good start in the back and pass cars. Show me your driving skills.

[TALON75]

You must be talking A and B group type of format. Not heat group Quailifing big difference. A and b group is half the field qualifing against each other which is a good system... Group Quailifing by heat race draw is completely different... Your are only Quailifing against the cars that drew in order for that heat... This doesn't not work because heats end up with cars by luck of draw. 12 hears at Eldora some had 5-6 cars within .2 tenths of each other and some had fast time guy .5-6 tenths better than the next and the next guy .5-6 tenths better than the next. But you are correct if you are referring to A and B group Quailifing that system seems to work. Formats like I-80 only works if the track is prepared right and the track is shaped to be one groove... Unfortunately not all tracks are that way.

I think at a big race like that(car count, and track) that even two group A and B qualifying favors an early draw. Eldora can lose more than half a second in fifty cars sometimes . I still hate PDPP(pill draw, passing points), as much as the fans enjoy it , I don't like handicapping professional sports, weekly racing at the local track is fine, show me another pro sport that handicaps for competitors that may not be as good. It really just becomes a game of dodging the Hucktysons(or Papichs) that are rolling roadblocks at ttimes, that's not racing to me, it's more demo derby.

[onlyfacts]

I think at a big race like that(car count, and track) that even two group A and B qualifying favors an early draw. Eldora can lose more than half a second in fifty cars sometimes . I still hate PDPP(pill draw, passing points), as much as the fans enjoy it , I don't like handicapping professional sports, weekly racing at the local track is fine, show me another pro sport that handicaps for competitors that may not be as good. It really just becomes a game of dodging the Hucktysons(or Papichs) that are rolling roadblocks at ttimes, that's not racing to me, it's more demo derby.

Finally someone that has an idea. These cars are expensive and anyone that likes the pill draw points handicap systems is not paying any bills on a car . When the time comes that the people paying the bills has had enough (and that is a trend right now) there will be fewer cars so the heats won't have as many cars for the ones that were able to survive the financial task of running one of these cars.

[buster83]

sometimes the invert puts slower cars on front row and it`s all some drivers can do to keep from running into them or taking their self out.

[Bubstr]

Seems the racer don't want to have to pass cars to qualify because they pay the bills. Seems the race fan doesn't want to see a race with out passing, because they pays the bills. Seems the track promoter doesn't want to put forth enough effort, in some cases, to make a track that races well for the whole night, because he pays the bills.

Put it anyway you wish, but the fan pays the bill, $20 to $30 a ticket. If the fan ain't happy, no one is happy. When they stop paying for dull races, they will go away. The different formats work for different tracks, some better than others, but the most exciting races all have at least one thing in common, a well prepared track, that has multiple grooves. If not, they at least have the ability to throw sliders to pass. The track I won't go to is the low side locked down track. No matter what is done, you can't make a silk purse out of a Sow's ear.

[dirtdobber45]

Why not jus give the fastest qualifier a cash bonus or a free pass to the A main. I understand that its a lil boring with jus qualifing sumtimes but who wants their car to get tore up cause a bunch of wanna bes that start ahead of em suddenly have a pile up in front of them and they cant get slowed down in time to avoid it