Southern All Star Rule Changes For Chevrolet 525 & SAS/SUPR Spec Engines

[flagone]

Yes that is true. However we just don't have a heck of a lot of that track condition or the big HP on our schedule. The ones that we do have like Smoky Mountain and Virginia Motor Speedway the guys that have the specs/525s aren't coming to. They are only racing where they have that advantage.

No engine builder complained. Some racers pointed out to us that the 12" spoilers had been taken out of most series. We researched it. Tested it. And found the same thing.

And its frustrating that someone says "there goes the little man". That is an incorrect perception. No they still have a slight advantage on a slick surface with the specs / 525s. So they can still compete and still win races but the advantage isn't so great that the others can't compete either. They aren't coming to the tracks where the big HP is needed.

[SASPR]

There have been some adjustments made to the Southern All Star weight rules after some late night discussions with a few people, no spoiler changes, everybody will still be on 8 inch spoiler and sides except for 602/604 crate motors.

[PushinTheLimit]

Makes more sense now.

[riddle28]

I got an email of updated rules yesterday--

. SOUTHERN ALL STAR DIRT RACING SERIES TECHNICAL BULLETIN #3

FAYETTEVILLE, TN—IMMEDIATE RELEASE-UPDATED 4/27/16

ENGINES / SPOILERS: CT 525 & SAS / SUPR SPEC ENGINES

After careful consideration of current trends and to be more in line with other touring series in
the region the Southern All Star Dirt Racing Series announced theses changes in the interest of fair competition and a level playing field among all engine classifications.

These changes are effective April 30, 2016 and will be administered at events subsequent to this date.

All cars powered by a SAS or SUPR Spec engine will be allowed an 8” maximum spoiler and sides and weight 2300 pounds.
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All cars powered by the Chevrolet CT 525 Crate Engine will be allowed an 8” maximum spoiler and sides and weigh 2250 pounds.

Weight / Engines:

1. Open All Aluminum 2300 lbs 8" inch spoiler 8" inch sides
2. SAS or SUPR SPEC 2300 lbs 8" inch spoiler 8" inch sides
3. All steel 363 cubic inches or more 2300 8" inch spoiler 8" inch sides
4. Aluminum head, steel block 2250 lbs 8" inch spoiler 8" inch sides
5. GM CT525 2250 lbs 8 inch spoiler-8” sides
6. All steel 362 cubic inches or less 2200 lbs 8" inch spoiler 8" inch sides
7. NLMS (358 cu in) 2200 lbs 8 inch spoiler-8”sides
8. GM 602 or 604 2200 lbs 12 inch spoiler-12”sides

Further information on the Southern All Stars Dirt Racing Series can be obtained by calling General Manager Lynn Acklin at (256) 924-4546 or you can log on to the official series website at www.sasdirt.com . Also, LIKE the Southern All Stars Dirt Racing Series on Facebook or be a FOLLOWER on Twitter @SASDIRT.

[old fan]

why do the touring series not allow the 525 that just doesn't make any sense

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Call me crazy, but in the instances that the big money teams run SAS, why don't they just bring a spec motor if it is better for a particular event?

I have seen Clanton run NLMS. If you have the funds, that cheap Lil motor is no big deal to carry with you. Why penalize the other guys? Makes no sense...

[flagone]

They do allow the 525.

Because at the end of the day these series are a Super Late Model Series. Why punish either group? Neither is being punished - they are being equaled up and that is what series are supposed to do. Provide for fairplay and consistent rules.

[fastford]

so in reality, there is no spec engine any more, if you have the exact classification as the open engine, then your a open engine and can do anything to it you want,

[flagone]

Does anyone read the previous parts of a thread?

The SPECs and 525s had an advantage and they STILL have an advantage at tracks where they are going to come and race. The guys that have the engines are smart and are not going to bring them to places where the big HP engines have the advantage, not with an 8" spoiler or 12" spoiler or even a 22" spoiler.

fastford there are many $30,000 spec engines floating around the region.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

They do allow the 525.

Because at the end of the day these series are a Super Late Model Series. Why punish either group? Neither is being punished - they are being equaled up and that is what series are supposed to do. Provide for fairplay and consistent rules.

Equaled up under one particular circumstance. A slick track with short straights. The old way provided choice and parity.

[a25rjr]

Call me crazy, but in the instances that the big money teams run SAS, why don't they just bring a spec motor if it is better for a particular event?

I have seen Clanton run NLMS. If you have the funds, that cheap Lil motor is no big deal to carry with you. Why penalize the other guys? Makes no sense...

That cheap lil motor is now $25k (nlms)!

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

That cheap lil motor is now $25k (nlms)!

Half a SLM

[flagone]

And there are plenty of SLM engines that are $25k. Just because a wide bore Durham 440 is $50k does not mean that every engine is that.

And the length of the straights has much less to do with it. Guys have won races in SLM with a 525 at Rome which is a half mile.

These changes were not a knee jerk. They came after thought and research.

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

And there are plenty of SLM engines that are $25k. Just because a wide bore Durham 440 is $50k does not mean that every engine is that.

And the length of the straights has much less to do with it. Guys have won races in SLM with a 525 at Rome which is a half mile.

These changes were not a knee jerk. They came after thought and research.

Correct me if I am wrong, the Rome feat was accomplished once, by a guy on a roll. A car with a higher rpm limit and much more HP is going to love to race a crate car down a long straight.

You certainly can't please everyone. It just appears the wrong crowd is being appeased here.

[AndyB]

We have two 421's and one 430 and have less than $40,000 in all three. Buy used stuff wisely and take care of your stuff and it can be done affordably. I know of a guy that has $22,000 in a all steel wet sump 2 barrel motor that runs for $500 a night in the affordable class. I also know of a guy that has Over $36,000 in a all steel motor he built to be able to use the bug spoiler and weight break a couple years ago. My opinion is if its a super late model race then you all run the same weight and spoiler. If you want less power then that's on you. if you wanna run a crate or 525, there are series for that as well.