Dqed from dream

[Andrews42FAN]

So let me get this straight.........another poster said that an official named Sam was walking around the pits , snipping tires and putting samples into ziplock baggies.

Well that sounds like a very legit way to collect samples......doesn't it?
No possible way any of those samples could be tainted or handled incorrectly........right?

If samples collected and sent off are a must, I for one would like for there to be a little more accountability throughout the chain........not saying there is foul play, but the collection and submission system being used is certainly ripe for it.

We were by Satterlees ride when they took samples. They weren't just throwing chunks of rubber into random bags. The bags had been labeled and another dude was recording everything on a clipboard regarding the driver, tire compound in use, etc. They were doing a very through job of recording and ensuring that everything was correctly labeled and associated to the driver.

When they were testing Satterlees tires he was fairly agitated and short with everyone.

[Barbecueboy]

Anyone know any teams that has won an appeal? Why can't they just man up fess up and move on!

Yes.........

[Barbecueboy]

I hear you, I question both sides of it.

It's not like the lab hasn't failed and came to the wrong test result before. Take the time a lab tested a American racer tire and it failed, don't remember the driver/car now but they appealed the result and come to find out the lab tested the wrong benchmark either by their fault or as I recall AM sent that wrong benchmark to test against the tire. I'm not really sure how many have been reversed, maybe that is the only one but I do question how many times has there been a mistake. I can't answer how reliable the tests are.

It does go both ways, labs can make mistakes just as racers will cheat. I just want to be sure innocent people don't get convicted but I do believe it's rare as most of the results are likely correct and are cheated tires. However I want this $hit out of racing also.

That all being said: I can tell you with 100% certainty that teams are sending samples to the labs themselves so they know what can or can't pass. So I question how many times would you pass a test if you sent the same sample in 10 times? it's been asked why to teams risk it, it's because they have sent samples in to blue ridge labs and they passed so they didn't think they'd get caught, IMO

Everyone should be un-trusting and uncomfortable with the testing

Disclaimer: This is all my Opinion, it's worth the paper it written on and besides it's an internet post so that means it's 99% chance it's false (Grin)

OH there is no doubt that teams are sending in samples to see what is detectable......to the same labs that are getting paid by the series to test for cheats.

Question is, how can it come back as clean to the teams that are sending them and dirty when they are submitted by the series?

The whole thing is foul.

And the American racer deal was with Scott Autry at the Carolina crown event ........to the tune of 30 grand in winnings I believe.
Glad they were vindicated.

Have zero problem with testing if that's the route the series decide to take ........how it's all handled , enforced ( or not enforced) and overseen is where I have the biggest beef.

Again, somebody going to get their feelings and their wallets hurt by someone who is truly innocent and can prove it..........that's when the process will change.

[castone]

Anyone know any teams that has won an appeal? Why can't they just man up fess up and move on!

[ClampedUp]

Owens......LIAR........ Satterlee.......LIAR......Sheppard........LIAR.... .....ThOrnton.......LIAR............Bloomer....... .Silent..so far

CONCORD, N.C. – June 21, 2016 – Brandon Sheppard, Greg Satterlee, Scott Bloomquist and Jimmy Owens have appealed their disqualifications and suspensions following a failed post-race inspection at the Dirt Late Model Dream at Eldora Speedway. An appeal is expected from Ricky Thornton Jr. but has not yet been received.

In accordance with rule 12.1-K, competitors who file an appeal will have penalties temporarily deferred. Both will be allowed to compete at DIRTcar sanctioned events until their appeals are heard on Monday, June 27.

Sheppard, Satterlee, Bloomquist, Owens and Thornton were disqualified and suspended after tire samples collected during the Dream and tested by an independent laboratory did not meet established benchmarks in a chemical analysis.

All licensed DIRTcar Members in good standing are able to request an appeal and have a total of seven days from the issuance of a penalty to request the appeal.

For more information on DIRTcar Racing and all DIRTcar UMP-sanctioned divisions, visit DIRTcar.com. For more information on Eldora Speedway, visit EldoraSpeedway.com.

[billetbirdcage]

I think most everyone understood what you were saying...........my smoking gun comment was more a generalized ( throw a blanket over it husker style ) statement.

Its time for some team owners to demand a better system.........as it is now , it's based on a trust factor of hopefully they are doing it correctly , unbiased and for the right reasons.

If everyone here is being honest with themselves, do you think that is actually occurring every single time.........talking about the unbiased and right reasons comment.

If I sound like I am untrusting and uncomfortable with the process , I am...........

I hear you, I question both sides of it.

It's not like the lab hasn't failed and came to the wrong test result before. Take the time a lab tested a American racer tire and it failed, don't remember the driver/car now but they appealed the result and come to find out the lab tested the wrong benchmark either by their fault or as I recall AM sent that wrong benchmark to test against the tire. I'm not really sure how many have been reversed, maybe that is the only one but I do question how many times has there been a mistake. I can't answer how reliable the tests are.

It does go both ways, labs can make mistakes just as racers will cheat. I just want to be sure innocent people don't get convicted but I do believe it's rare as most of the results are likely correct and are cheated tires. However I want this $hit out of racing also.

That all being said: I can tell you with 100% certainty that teams are sending samples to the labs themselves so they know what can or can't pass. So I question how many times would you pass a test if you sent the same sample in 10 times? it's been asked why to teams risk it, it's because they have sent samples in to blue ridge labs and they passed so they didn't think they'd get caught, IMO

Everyone should be un-trusting and uncomfortable with the testing

Disclaimer: This is all my Opinion, it's worth the paper it written on and besides it's an internet post so that means it's 99% chance it's false (Grin)

[Hard rock candy]

Owens......LIAR........ Satterlee.......LIAR......Sheppard........LIAR.... .....ThOrnton.......LIAR............Bloomer....... .Silent..so far

[Barbecueboy]

I did not say this was with WoO or lucas, and in fact is wasn't it's various other series mostly more regional series then anything. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

I think most everyone understood what you were saying...........my smoking gun comment was more a generalized ( throw a blanket over it husker style ) statement.

Its time for some team owners to demand a better system.........as it is now , it's based on a trust factor of hopefully they are doing it correctly , unbiased and for the right reasons.

If everyone here is being honest with themselves, do you think that is actually occurring every single time.........talking about the unbiased and right reasons comment.

If I sound like I am untrusting and uncomfortable with the process , I am...........

[billetbirdcage]

Can someone say " smoking gun"????

Yikes.

Can't really say I'm surprised by any of the above commentary............and wait for it, wait for it.............commentary from a guy that actually RACES with the series.

The whole thing is a joke......

I did not say this was with WoO or lucas, and in fact is wasn't it's various other series mostly more regional series then anything. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

[Barbecueboy]

5 found illegal out of 32 tested. How did all the others manage to pass???

Is anyone 100% sure the other 27 were even sent in?

Surely there are records of how many sent, method of sending, results , who signed for and handled what, etc........redundancy should be paramount in the collection ,testing and recording process.....there aren't many laboratories anywhere in any field that don't practice it.

Seriously, all it will take is for a high profile owner or sponsor that don't mind spending the money to take someone to task for falsely or incorrectly accusing them of cheating.....then the process will change.


If they are all cheating ,then screw them and they get what they get...........but at the very least , let's make the testing procedure 100 percent accurate and those handling and implementing the samples equally as accountable.

[Barbecueboy]

does hoosier know what the track conditions will be any time of the night or do they care about the weekend guys being able to make a set of tires last longer........I think not

Fixed for accuracy........

[Barbecueboy]

does hoosier know what the track conditions will be any time of the night I think not

what the heck difference does that make???? they come to the track with a couple approved compounds of already factory grooved and siped tires ready to race.

End of story.

the tire mfg. have no interest in tire longevity for the weekenders.............fwiw.

[Barbecueboy]

I can tell you from having tire samples taken from many times, that if this procedure isn't done 90% of the time its for show and the samples are not sent in to be tested and they are doing it just to look like they are testing tires. I've had several time that samples where taken when we won or ran top 3 in 10K or more races and could tell it was done for show. Hell once we won heat and feature of a 10K race and was in first heat of 6, it was 20 to 30 minutes after the final heat race before they came to our trailer to get the tire sample. We had already had the car ready to load, when they asked for the LR tire sample. They took my word that I hadn't changed the tires and put them in the trailer so they took a sample of the tire on the car. They had no gloves on and didn't put a new blade in the groover either and put the sample in a bag with some other samples, REALLY! There is no way those samples got sent in and tested because they had no idea who's was who's.

Can someone say " smoking gun"????

Yikes.

Can't really say I'm surprised by any of the above commentary............and wait for it, wait for it.............commentary from a guy that actually RACES with the series.

The whole thing is a joke......

[billetbirdcage]

Say what you want about the procedure but when we have been checked (and have multiple times) they do a pretty good job of it. They have you take "you're" grooving iron and have "you" cut 3 to 4 1" long plugs out of the tire all around it. Not just in 1 place. The series rep has on rubber gloves to keep his hands away from it. "You" take the pieces and place in a ziplock bag, then place in a "Piss Bottle" like you use at the dr. They tape the bottle up and you sign it, put it in a sealable envelope and then the Crewman or Driver that does the cuts MUST SIGN the package. No it's not CSI but they are attempting to do it the best way possible at the track.

Another thing that some of ya'll may not consider is WHICH tire did they get a sample of. We have NEVER been checked when they took samples of all 4 tires. Depending on the many different factors at the track as to what tire to cheat and what tire that may get checked play in to all this. ANY or ALL of the Dream finishers could have used an illegal tire. If they checked everyones left rear but they had a doped RF then we will never know now will we. It's happening everywhere and at EVERY race. Guys are doing what they can to win races. They have a 75% chance of getting away with it. That's why they do it. The odds are in their favor. ALL the sanctioning bodies NEED to come together and do something. Until it hits the teams at ALL races then its a mute point. Fine them, suspend them from "ALL" races for a few months (longer for multiple offences), and make it known what the exact infraction was. All the series need to GROW a set and come together to make a change.

I can tell you from having tire samples taken from many times, that if this procedure isn't done 90% of the time its for show and the samples are not sent in to be tested and they are doing it just to look like they are testing tires. I've had several time that samples where taken when we won or ran top 3 in 10K or more races and could tell it was done for show. Hell once we won heat and feature of a 10K race and was in first heat of 6, it was 20 to 30 minutes after the final heat race before they came to our trailer to get the tire sample. We had already had the car ready to load, when they asked for the LR tire sample. They took my word that I hadn't changed the tires and put them in the trailer so they took a sample of the tire on the car. They had no gloves on and didn't put a new blade in the groover either and put the sample in a bag with some other samples, REALLY! There is no way those samples got sent in and tested because they had no idea who's was who's.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Either the "prayer chain" thread or "last one to post" thread. Well over 20 pages. No idea how many views. Probly 30-40 thousand.

Wow thats alot. I guess we got a ways to go then.