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[Barbecueboy]

BBQ boy even the events with spec tires (Arizona) allow siping and grinding. You take that away which is what making drivers buy tires at a track will do and all you will see is guys in line trying not to blister tire because tire has no way to release heat. Also most of the national guys are sponsored by Hoosier tires so there goes those sponsorships so you're taking more money from the driver

I understand how it all works currently, I guess my question would be to you then , why can't Hoosier bring a tire to the track that's race ready already grooved and siped.......


It may not be to the drivers style of grooving and siping,but will eliminate the blistering issue..........I'm on the side of running whatever open tire you want, but since that's not going to happen, what would you propose?

The current collection system and good old boy look the other way deal because of who you are clearly isn't working...........it's almost laughable.

[Bigracer93]

There's 2 options. 1. Make it legal and say boys have at it, like most have said it will save money in the long haul, I believe it's around $100 a gallon right now so if you can get an extra race out of a set of a tires it will save money. 2. Make the penalties stiffer to discourage it even more but Lucas and WOO would have to get together on that.

[Clayton_Wetter]

Reason #1473627 why I've always been a Billy Moyer fan instead of a Scott Bloomquist fan. Both the greatest to ever do it, but you won't find Mr. Smooth involved with this crap.

My jaw just fell on the floor!!!!

[MI Dirt Fan]

Curious what the record is for most posts??? Views?

Either the "prayer chain" thread or "last one to post" thread. Well over 20 pages. No idea how many views. Probly 30-40 thousand.

[Bubstr]

I heard two things on Twitter, made by a driver. One everyone knew what tires they where checking before the races. It was stated at the drivers meeting. And one that said LOLM made 2 pages of rules against one driver and still let the majority of the top ten, prep their tires.

[old fan]

I understand how it all works currently, I guess my question would be to you then , why can't Hoosier bring a tire to the track that's race ready already grooved and siped.......It may not be to the drivers style of grooving and siping,but will eliminate the blistering issue..........I'm on the side of running whatever open tire you want, but since that's not going to happen, what would you propose?The current collection system and good old boy look the other way deal because of who you are clearly isn't working...........it's almost laughable.

does hoosier know what the track conditions will be any time of the night I think not

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Either the "prayer chain" thread or "last one to post" thread. Well over 20 pages. No idea how many views. Probly 30-40 thousand.

Wow thats alot. I guess we got a ways to go then.

[billetbirdcage]

Say what you want about the procedure but when we have been checked (and have multiple times) they do a pretty good job of it. They have you take "you're" grooving iron and have "you" cut 3 to 4 1" long plugs out of the tire all around it. Not just in 1 place. The series rep has on rubber gloves to keep his hands away from it. "You" take the pieces and place in a ziplock bag, then place in a "Piss Bottle" like you use at the dr. They tape the bottle up and you sign it, put it in a sealable envelope and then the Crewman or Driver that does the cuts MUST SIGN the package. No it's not CSI but they are attempting to do it the best way possible at the track.

Another thing that some of ya'll may not consider is WHICH tire did they get a sample of. We have NEVER been checked when they took samples of all 4 tires. Depending on the many different factors at the track as to what tire to cheat and what tire that may get checked play in to all this. ANY or ALL of the Dream finishers could have used an illegal tire. If they checked everyones left rear but they had a doped RF then we will never know now will we. It's happening everywhere and at EVERY race. Guys are doing what they can to win races. They have a 75% chance of getting away with it. That's why they do it. The odds are in their favor. ALL the sanctioning bodies NEED to come together and do something. Until it hits the teams at ALL races then its a mute point. Fine them, suspend them from "ALL" races for a few months (longer for multiple offences), and make it known what the exact infraction was. All the series need to GROW a set and come together to make a change.

I can tell you from having tire samples taken from many times, that if this procedure isn't done 90% of the time its for show and the samples are not sent in to be tested and they are doing it just to look like they are testing tires. I've had several time that samples where taken when we won or ran top 3 in 10K or more races and could tell it was done for show. Hell once we won heat and feature of a 10K race and was in first heat of 6, it was 20 to 30 minutes after the final heat race before they came to our trailer to get the tire sample. We had already had the car ready to load, when they asked for the LR tire sample. They took my word that I hadn't changed the tires and put them in the trailer so they took a sample of the tire on the car. They had no gloves on and didn't put a new blade in the groover either and put the sample in a bag with some other samples, REALLY! There is no way those samples got sent in and tested because they had no idea who's was who's.

[Barbecueboy]

I can tell you from having tire samples taken from many times, that if this procedure isn't done 90% of the time its for show and the samples are not sent in to be tested and they are doing it just to look like they are testing tires. I've had several time that samples where taken when we won or ran top 3 in 10K or more races and could tell it was done for show. Hell once we won heat and feature of a 10K race and was in first heat of 6, it was 20 to 30 minutes after the final heat race before they came to our trailer to get the tire sample. We had already had the car ready to load, when they asked for the LR tire sample. They took my word that I hadn't changed the tires and put them in the trailer so they took a sample of the tire on the car. They had no gloves on and didn't put a new blade in the groover either and put the sample in a bag with some other samples, REALLY! There is no way those samples got sent in and tested because they had no idea who's was who's.

Can someone say " smoking gun"????

Yikes.

Can't really say I'm surprised by any of the above commentary............and wait for it, wait for it.............commentary from a guy that actually RACES with the series.

The whole thing is a joke......

[Barbecueboy]

does hoosier know what the track conditions will be any time of the night I think not

what the heck difference does that make???? they come to the track with a couple approved compounds of already factory grooved and siped tires ready to race.

End of story.

the tire mfg. have no interest in tire longevity for the weekenders.............fwiw.

[Barbecueboy]

does hoosier know what the track conditions will be any time of the night or do they care about the weekend guys being able to make a set of tires last longer........I think not

Fixed for accuracy........

[Barbecueboy]

5 found illegal out of 32 tested. How did all the others manage to pass???

Is anyone 100% sure the other 27 were even sent in?

Surely there are records of how many sent, method of sending, results , who signed for and handled what, etc........redundancy should be paramount in the collection ,testing and recording process.....there aren't many laboratories anywhere in any field that don't practice it.

Seriously, all it will take is for a high profile owner or sponsor that don't mind spending the money to take someone to task for falsely or incorrectly accusing them of cheating.....then the process will change.


If they are all cheating ,then screw them and they get what they get...........but at the very least , let's make the testing procedure 100 percent accurate and those handling and implementing the samples equally as accountable.

[billetbirdcage]

Can someone say " smoking gun"????

Yikes.

Can't really say I'm surprised by any of the above commentary............and wait for it, wait for it.............commentary from a guy that actually RACES with the series.

The whole thing is a joke......

I did not say this was with WoO or lucas, and in fact is wasn't it's various other series mostly more regional series then anything. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

[Barbecueboy]

I did not say this was with WoO or lucas, and in fact is wasn't it's various other series mostly more regional series then anything. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

I think most everyone understood what you were saying...........my smoking gun comment was more a generalized ( throw a blanket over it husker style ) statement.

Its time for some team owners to demand a better system.........as it is now , it's based on a trust factor of hopefully they are doing it correctly , unbiased and for the right reasons.

If everyone here is being honest with themselves, do you think that is actually occurring every single time.........talking about the unbiased and right reasons comment.

If I sound like I am untrusting and uncomfortable with the process , I am...........

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