The Dream Tire Appeal Hearing Monday

[Barbecueboy]

Yeah right. And I've got some ocean front property in good ol' Wilkes County I'll sell you BBQboy. Lol.
The thing that I really find hard to understand is how they can determine what chemical is what. All the lab does is cook the sample and use a spectrometer to measure how dense the 'smoke' from the chemicals are at various times through the cycle. If the 'smoke' is more or less dense at certain times compared to the new sample supplied by the manufacturer, then it 'does not meet the benchmark'. Hoosier reps themselves cannot tell anyone what chemicals release out of the samples at a given cook time, much less how dense the 'smoke' will be. Wouldn't a tire that has been thru various number of heat cycles react differently than a new sample that has never been on the track?

Details, details, details..............shhhhhhhhhhhhh, don't talk too loudly......you will be labeled a conspirorist, or worse.

[Barbecueboy]

For once, you are correct...

For once huh???? Duly noted.


You a poultry or wild game fan?

[muddy mike]

does anybody know what happened at the hearing ?

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Yeah right. And I've got some ocean front property in good ol' Wilkes County I'll sell you BBQboy. Lol.
The thing that I really find hard to understand is how they can determine what chemical is what. All the lab does is cook the sample and use a spectrometer to measure how dense the 'smoke' from the chemicals are at various times through the cycle. If the 'smoke' is more or less dense at certain times compared to the new sample supplied by the manufacturer, then it 'does not meet the benchmark'. Hoosier reps themselves cannot tell anyone what chemicals release out of the samples at a given cook time, much less how dense the 'smoke' will be. Wouldn't a tire that has been thru various number of heat cycles react differently than a new sample that has never been on the track?

Spectrometry is much more scientific than you make it sound.

[ClampedUp]

does anybody know what happened at the hearing ?

Kind of funny that WRG/WoO haven't come out with a release by now.
If the "lab" results were so cut and dry the appeal process should have been swiftly denied.
As I stated before this one could turn into a legal mess as there are some teams involved with very deep pockets to push the issue.

[Bigracer93]

Rumor has it that Hoosier won't testify on UMP/WRG's behalf so that can't make their argument look good

[MasterSbilt_Racer]

Rumor has it that Hoosier won't testify on UMP/WRG's behalf so that can't make their argument look good

They have relationships with drivers.

[Barbecueboy]

Kind of funny that WRG/WoO haven't come out with a release by now.
If the "lab" results were so cut and dry the appeal process should have been swiftly denied.
As I stated before this one could turn into a legal mess as there are some teams involved with very deep pockets to push the issue.

No man.....it's cut and dry.....they're all cheaters.........some on here have staked their posting reputations on it they are so certain.

Too bad, I was kinda liking Bshep and Thornton a little bit too..........but since they are scumbag cheaters, not so much ........right?

[W2Racing09]

The lab makes its living off things like this, they wouldn't be in business if they didn't know what they were doing. I also don't understand why it is so difficult for everyone to believe they could be cheating, I don't necessarily think it is reason to not like said drivers. I think everyone out there is doing something outside of the rule book whether that be Richards, Davenport or some local Street Stock drivers. It is just the nature of it. This week these five got caught, next week... who knows?

[ClampedUp]

The lab makes its living off things like this, they wouldn't be in business if they didn't know what they were doing. I also don't understand why it is so difficult for everyone to believe they could be cheating, I don't necessarily think it is reason to not like said drivers. I think everyone out there is doing something outside of the rule book whether that be Richards, Davenport or some local Street Stock drivers. It is just the nature of it. This week these five got caught, next week... who knows?

Labs of all kinds can and do make mistakes more than you think.
If WRG/WoO/UMP and their lab are so confident of the results they should remove all doubt and send the samples to another lab to get independent verification to back up the original results.

[jog49]

You learn something everyday. Never would I have guessed we had so many scientists on 4M! LOL!

[W2Racing09]

Labs of all kinds can and do make mistakes more than you think.
If WRG/WoO/UMP and their lab are so confident of the results they should remove all doubt and send the samples to another lab to get independent verification to back up the original results.

I agree, that would be next logical step scientifically. I'm sure labs do make mistakes but I certainly don't think it is commonplace. This place is used by the State of NC for testing as well, I doubt they could just be messing up tests all the time and still have that deal.

[Barbecueboy]

I agree, that would be next logical step scientifically. I'm sure labs do make mistakes but I certainly don't think it is commonplace. This place is used by the State of NC for testing as well, I doubt they could just be messing up tests all the time and still have that deal.

The state of NC doesn't use them to test tires........maybe the teams should require something from the tire manufacturers showing the chain of command of the tire prior to purchase........where it's been, the breakdown of the specifics of the tire, who touched it or delivered it and how was it delivered and could it have come in contact with some contaminant.

Kinda like an affidavit .........it's only fair since the drivers are the end users and can't really account for where the tire has been prior to then getting it.

[Barbecueboy]

The lab makes its living off things like this, they wouldn't be in business if they didn't know what they were doing. I also don't understand why it is so difficult for everyone to believe they could be cheating, I don't necessarily think it is reason to not like said drivers. I think everyone out there is doing something outside of the rule book whether that be Richards, Davenport or some local Street Stock drivers. It is just the nature of it. This week these five got caught, next week... who knows?

I can't figure out ( with the exception of the haters) why several people are so steadfastly finding it impossible for the process to have a flaw in it and for the lab to be wrong this time........most likely not,but impossible, not hardly.

[W2Racing09]

I can't figure out ( with the exception of the haters) why several people are so steadfastly finding it impossible for the process to have a flaw in it and for the lab to be wrong this time........most likely not,but impossible, not hardly.

I'm not saying it is impossible that they made a mistake -- I'm just saying that some people here are basically guaranteeing that they are incorrect. I don't understand that, it is certainly significantly more likely than not that the lab is correct. As you said, it isn't impossible that they made a mistake but it certainly is unlikely. Meanwhile I think we have all heard a term similar to "It's only cheating if you get caught" or "If you aint cheatin' you aint tryin'" out of the mouth of a racer - I know I have many times. It is common knowledge that drivers bend the rules as much as possible and have no problem working outside of them if they think the chances of getting caught are low.

Thanks,
Jeff.