The Dream Tire Appeal Hearing Monday

[IZZOJR16]

The lab makes its living off things like this, they wouldn't be in business if they didn't know what they were doing. I also don't understand why it is so difficult for everyone to believe they could be cheating, I don't necessarily think it is reason to not like said drivers. I think everyone out there is doing something outside of the rule book whether that be Richards, Davenport or some local Street Stock drivers. It is just the nature of it. This week these five got caught, next week... who knows?

winner winner chicken dinner ^^^^

[IZZOJR16]

I can't figure out ( with the exception of the haters) why several people are so steadfastly finding it impossible for the process to have a flaw in it and for the lab to be wrong this time........most likely not,but impossible, not hardly.

I'm willing to bet if they indeed "got it wrong", it would be the other way around, and benefit a cheating driver. just a guess.

[427c.i.]

I just find it funny that when Feger brought all this stuff up a few years ago, he was crucified. He claimed the cleaner he used caused the test to come back "dirty" and it's now well known that Simple Green can cause a tire to test tampered. Same arguments, same findings, took a lie detector test etc, etc. Everything he did to try to prove his innocence was met with nay sayers telling him to suck it up and take his lumps.
A lot of those same people are now crying foul, the tests are flawed, the sample collecting process is flawed.
It will be very interesting to see what happens with this as I think Mr. Feger would have a strong case if things get reversed in the appeals process.

[blncfn57]

I can't figure out ( with the exception of the haters) why several people are so steadfastly finding it impossible for the process to have a flaw in it and for the lab to be wrong this time........most likely not,but impossible, not hardly.

I say it because I have been in shops and have heard the things that racers do, I've spoken to former crew chiefs, that are no longer in the sport, about this very topic. Tires have been a big deal for alot of years and still are today. You can do what you want to the car, but at the end of the day, there are only 4 rubber things touching the track. Seems pretty obvious why it would be an area to try and get an advantage.
IF these penalties are overturned because of a mistake on Hoosiers part, does that still cause everyone to be up in arms with the sanctioning body and the lab? IMO, if it's a mess up on hoosiers part, they should eat the fines and penalties levied against the drivers.

Yes, I've been vocal about my opinion on this, but if it comes out that the lab made a mistake, I will be on here to take my lumps. lol

[stewart fan]

Feger was caught twice first excuse was belle clair was next to a sewage treatment plant,very creative to say the least!

[slydejob18]

The point exactly

427ci -- I like your post from 2 perspectives.

First: If they stood by their results with Feger, flawed or not, it's because the sanctioning body made a decision and stuck with it. That's obviously the case.
Second: If they had reversed their decision with Feger on appeal, think how many MORE naysayers there would have been this time around with 5 drivers involved!
IMO, the sanctioning body has to stick with its decision, period. If they start picking and choosing, they'll look even more wishy washy and less trustworthy. If there's a testing flaw discovered during the process, you absolutely fix it so that you reduce the margin for error next time..........and there will be a next time.

Let's get back to racing -- ASAP

Go 18!!

[cgrace]

slydejob18 has good poiints if they reverse on reasons they told others that it didn't matter does it open class action lawsuit. thought dirtcar doesn't car why or how tirs dont match standards

[cgrace]

if lab is wrong what about the other 65+tests are they all wrong?

[70satomic]

UMP has a history of claiming that someone's tires are cheated up I'd like to see a reputable lab do the test

[Jet Jockey]

As someone who is subject to random drug testing, I make sure the process is followed to a T because failing a test could be catastrophic to my career. Hopefully this is a wake-up call to the teams to make sure the stated process is followed. I have no idea if these guys were juicing tires, but it seems that both the teams and Sam were very lack luster in the process. The teams have to be more proactive in the collection of sample process. Also, I was a bit concerned when Sam stated that identifying the tires by serial number was not required. I highly doubt any mistakes were made on the actual testing in the lab. Unlike some of the goofballs at WRG, those guys are professionals.

[toast]

ALERT- Owens is making me sound better all the time by getting caught, I have repeated this several times on here, Owens has been juicing tires from the beginning of his career in late-model!! Bloomer is another one, That's why him and owens couldn't get along, One holding out on the other for a advantage!!!

[427c.i.]

Feger was caught twice first excuse was belle clair was next to a sewage treatment plant,very creative to say the least!

No win or money was taken from Feger at Belle Claire and if memory serves, the tests were "inconclusive."

[Barbecueboy]

I'm willing to bet if they indeed "got it wrong", it would be the other way around, and benefit a cheating driver. just a guess.

I don't necessarily think it's the lab that got it wrong ( if anybody did) just the entire process from start to finish needs to be addressed............

How does a guy really know what the makeup of the tire is when he gets it new?who touched it.....what it may have come into contact with in shipping.....if it is even the same tire as the one being sent in as the benchmark, etc. etc. etc.

Too many questions and not enough answers for my liking.......

[427c.i.]

I don't necessarily think it's the lab that got it wrong ( if anybody did) just the entire process from start to finish needs to be addressed............

How does a guy really know what the makeup of the tire is when he gets it new?who touched it.....what it may have come into contact with in shipping.....if it is even the same tire as the one being sent in as the benchmark, etc. etc. etc.

Too many questions and not enough answers for my liking.......

Exactly.....

[stewart fan]

The sewer treatment argument worked you are correct