Final appeal

[Aces&Eights]

If you appeal and you are denied then they should extend there suspension!!!!!! cheating bastards got what they deserve!!!! Theres no big conspiracy here they cheated and got caught!!!! nuff said!!!!

Another keyboard "Know-It-All". Everybody is lying, everybody cheats and his wife is boinking the neighborhood!!!!

[oldfart50]

Yes they cheated and if you think your wife hasnt boinked someone other than you, then you and BBQ are sharing IQ points and he doesnt have many to share...

Another keyboard "Know-It-All". Everybody is lying, everybody cheats and his wife is boinking the neighborhood!!!!

[Barbecueboy]

You might as well flip it around, because the reverse is also true.

The drivers/teams have been declared innocent by Barbecueboy, there is no way they could be guilty. Barbecueboy was personally at all five of their shops (simultaneously) for two weeks leading up to the Dream and has been able to confirm with 100% certainly that none of the tires could possibly be illegal in any way.

Thanks,
Jeff.

And had I ever said anything remotely close to that , then you could make that point....

But I didn't , and you can't.


Unlike all the rest of you that have screamed at the top of your lungs, they all cheat, they all do it..........I never ever once implied anything of the sort about who may or may not have cheated and nothing even close to what you dreamt up about me being at the shops.

My issue is the process...........and the doubt it leaves.

[Barbecueboy]

Read the registration that every driver signs, there is no legal action any driver can take. They basically sign a waiver cut n dry. End of story.

Waiver worth the paper it's written on............even you know that.

[Barbecueboy]

Yes they cheated and if you think your wife hasnt boinked someone other than you, then you and BBQ are sharing IQ points and he doesnt have many to share...

Is it hard to type while laying flat on your back on the sidewalk?????

[Barbecueboy]

If they do shorten the sentence it will look exactly as you said. I don't think they can do it without losing further respect from the racers. P-off 5 racers or the other 80?

I think all the racers would prefer that they just get it right..............and make 100% sure that there is no doubt......zero.

[Barbecueboy]

I don't think it will be as bad on here as it will in the racing world. Drivers and teams that don't wanna play the tire game have been screaming about this for the last 4 years. I know it was going on before that, but the big blowup with the teams and the sanctioning body that I remember was in 2012 so I'm going by that.
IF one or all of these teams are truly innocent, I feel they should be putting their time and energy into figuring out what caused the problem and getting it corrected rather than just saying "I didn't cheat" and leading the fans to believe the enforcer is crooked. The sanctioning body is trying to enforce rules that the whole pit area knows are being broken. They are trying to find things in which the drivers are being told are "undetectable" by the folks who supply the chemicals. If this was a hoosier problem (5 out of 32, it's not likely) than hoosier needs to make it right with the teams, not WRG/UMP.
I hate to see this happen to anyone and I do not want to believe these 5 guys cheated up their tires, but more times than not, things are just as they seem. I did not want to believe OJ murdered anyone. I am the guy that reads a horrible story of a possible drunk driver causing a fatal accident and I pray that he was not drunk...... because I do not like seeing bad things happen to people. I'm not generally the guy that believes everyone that is charged is guilty and I have been raked over the coals for supporting people that I was proved wrong about in the end, it happens.

The question I have is, everyone knows this tire doping is happening, so if these guys are not doing it, then who are the ones that have everyone stirred up about it? I have been vocal on here and for the sake of these 5 guys I hope I am wrong, but as hard as I try I can't ignore the fact that not only did these 5 samples come back bad against the benchmark, they came back bad against the other 27 tires tested also.
I think we may see some sort of compromise between these drivers and the sanctioning body. I don't think UMP/WRG wants to ruin anyone's reputation, but I think they want to hold their ground so everyone knows they are serious about this tire stuff also. Maybe a reduction of the suspension? I think that may be an option. I do not think that the sanctioning body is going to do anything to cast doubt upon their process, a process the drivers all agreed to when they signed in at the back gate.

Compared to the stance you took in the other threads about this, what I'm reading above looks like a giant kettle full of backpeddle stew..........

What happened to .......they're 100% guilty.....get what they deserve......all cheaters.....no doubt about lab results and collection process and all of that????


You got any crackers to go with that?

[Highside Hustler25]

If they do shorten the sentence it will look exactly as you said. I don't think they can do it without losing further respect from the racers. P-off 5 racers or the other 80?

my thoughts as well.

[cgrace]

i hope process gets changed. youall assume guilty but dont know whats the differences of results are? all results the same w each drivers tires? are theydifferent? how different is an oldtire vs new? too many whatifs? they should be tested before racing. the outcome of everyrace could have been diff if they didnt race that night. not fair all way round. are they going back and uppin pay of each other driver in their races that night?

[Barbecueboy]

i hope process gets changed. youall assume guilty but dont know whats the differences of results are? all results the same w each drivers tires? are theydifferent? how different is an oldtire vs new? too many whatifs? they should be tested before racing. the outcome of everyrace could have been diff if they didnt race that night. not fair all way round. are they going back and uppin pay of each other driver in their races that night?

For so many of 4ms judge Judy club to have made their ruling on absolute guilt in this matter.........

There sure does seem to be a lot of question and uncertainties lingering around months later........
Strange considering the tests are 100% accurate and the process is so cut and dry.

[SLIDING SIDEWAYS]

Guilty or not this is just a messed up deal.

[Barbecueboy]

Wouldn't be so messed up if it were as cut and dry as all of the appeal-ogists are saying........

Too many questions.........too many doubts..........not enough answers or transparency.

[Dirtfan04]

I hope they overturn the suspensions. The tracks that chose that sanctioning body are getting penalized for their biggest show of the year by banning people from running the race THEY are putting on. (FALS/Cedar Lake)

These tracks should be pissed at the drivers who CHOSE to cheat. They are the ones that are hurting the tracks by making a deliberate decision to disobey the rules that they all agreed to abide by when they CHOSE to race with that sanctioning body.

You don't blame the police for catching a criminal. Oh well wait a minute, maybe that is exactly what is happening this day and time. Maybe that is why so many are standing up for the cheaters and portraying them as victims of the system instead of having then own up to their own decisions and accept the consequences.

What would impress me is if any of the drivers caught would just admit that they made a mistake, own up to it, pledge not to let it happen again, and accept the punishment. If so, then I might just order a shirt or do something else in support of that driver just for being a man in the childish world of today and acting like an adult and doing the right thing. Definitely a rarity these days. I don't think I would be alone. I think others would show their support as well.

But who am I kidding, that will never happen in today's world where the motto is never admit any wrongdoing, just hire a lawyer and fight it till the end.

Ridiculous!

[kidrock]

If they reduce the penalty then they will lose creditability in my opinion. if they are on the up and up as far as the testing goes and they are confident these drivers cheated then stick to your guns and the length of the penalty to let them and the rest of the drivers know this is what happens when you cheat.

[Barbecueboy]

There are a bunch of ifs.........aren't there?