Final appeal

[huskerdirt]

Use to unload the car.. Its all dirty, I spray it down with a cleaner and let it sit a hour. Were at a Red clay track so its all stained so I spray it down good ... Come back and wash it off with the power washer.. Will I just Doped the Tires......

And most people take the tires off the car before washing.

[Cardirt0]

And most people take the tires off the car before washing.

Not if the tires are cover in red clay.. or you set them next too the car but you still use a Cleaner on them.. we did for years...I have washed the car and tires on and off over a 100 times.. used Cleaner on both every time......
Or you have 1 hour to clean the car cause you heading out to race sat after a fri night...

[vande07]

True , but the police officer has a much more defined set of rules and circumstances that determine your guilt 100 % most of the time.......that or they saw you break the law.

Neither of which applies to this tire fiasco........nobody saw them......they deny it and the testing policy.....and it's possible that the tires could have been tainted completely without their knowledge in shipping ,manufacturing,etc.......

I agree with your theory of ignorance is no excuse..........there is a difference in not knowing the law, and not knowing your buddy dropped his weed under your seat that you couldn't have possibly known about.

The tire rule is pretty defined; No altering of tire, must meet manufacturer provided benchmark by an independent laboratory.

Unless the teams (and sanctioning body) get to the point where the tires are in the possession of Hoosier, mounted by Hoosier and then immediately put on cars and the cars go on the track, there will always be some kind of question. But, that means racing will be much more expensive (payroll for people to take care of the tires at the track, teams will have to buy new tires for every event instead of using them for multiple events, and odds are they would go to one tire compound period and no tire size differences). That series already exists and it's called NASCAR....

[Cardirt0]

The tire rule is pretty defined; No altering of tire, must meet manufacturer provided benchmark by an independent laboratory.

Unless the teams (and sanctioning body) get to the point where the tires are in the possession of Hoosier, mounted by Hoosier and then immediately put on cars and the cars go on the track, there will always be some kind of question. But, that means racing will be much more expensive (payroll for people to take care of the tires at the track, teams will have to buy new tires for every event instead of using them for multiple events, and odds are they would go to one tire compound period and no tire size differences). That series already exists and it's called NASCAR....

Will if you want a rule like this then you will have too do it like them...The only tire that matters is the right rear.. for what hoosier charges may be they should mount it for the same price...

[Barbecueboy]

Nope.. Didn't say that. I said you are the only reason this topic is 8 pages long. Just look how many times you posted in this thread. Never once referenced the tire rule at all in my post. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I would advise you to do the same.......that and take a few reading comprehension classes at cornhusker tech.

[huskerdirt]

I would advise you to do the same.......that and take a few reading comprehension classes at cornhusker tech.

I'll save you a seat.

[Barbecueboy]

yea, now hoosier let 5 tires leave their factory wrong. lol I have to bow out of this conversation as the level of common sense has sunk to an all time low. 5 tires were wrong.... its not a process problem, it wasn't a distribution problem...... it was an issue of the racers having at least a 75% chance of not getting caught, but they did.

Who said anything about it being implicitly Hoosiers fault?

You can small picture it any way you want too, but the process is messed up and the room for error as to indicate where the problem comes from ( other than the obvious) in the tire is huge.

Especially if you are going to imply a specific individual is a cheater.

As I said before.......this is far from over( the tire rule fiasco).....and when things start developing to support what I've been saying as to change, you will be the first to get a pm.

Deal?

[victorylane]

This process of checking tires is not complicated. Only a few people want to try to make it out to be rocket science. It's very simple. Take the sample, put it in a sealed package, send it to lab, lab tech opens and puts in machine and gets the results. It is not the lab, Hoosier, UMP, or anybody else's job to prove who altered the tire. If the tire was used on accused drivers car then they are DQ'ed. There is a benchmark it has to match and if it don't the lab says so. The lab does not say this driver is a cheater or that he himself altered the tire. They just say the tire did not match. These drivers broke a rule not a law.

No matter what tire checking process is used someone will say it is flawed. If they try to improve the one they are using now or not is up to them. I am fine with the current one.

[D. Tidrow]

The tire rule is pretty defined; No altering of tire, must meet manufacturer provided benchmark by an independent laboratory.Unless the teams (and sanctioning body) get to the point where the tires are in the possession of Hoosier, mounted by Hoosier and then immediately put on cars and the cars go on the track, there will always be some kind of question. But, that means racing will be much more expensive (payroll for people to take care of the tires at the track, teams will have to buy new tires for every event instead of using them for multiple events, and odds are they would go to one tire compound period and no tire size differences). That series already exists and it's called NASCAR....

First off this isnt NASCAR! Second it's the Process of testing. There is a better way. It's not the testing its the proceedings.

[Barbecueboy]

Use to unload the car.. Its all dirty, I spray it down with a cleaner and let it sit a hour. Were at a Red clay track so its all stained so I spray it down good ... Come back and wash it off with the power washer.. Will I just Doped the Tires......

Sure did...........

[Barbecueboy]

And most people take the tires off the car before washing.

But the ones that don't.........ok to just label them cheaters I guess.

[D. Tidrow]

I know how I feel about this tire doping bs. There is facts and bull(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word), like I said in past posts. I know for a fact that those I know and let me remind certain (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)s that never met us. Accused us of tire doping. These same people may be posting, but they know (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word).

[cgrace]

ijust wish they could check before the race not after

[D. Tidrow]

I know how I feel about this tire doping bs. There is facts and bull(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word), like I said in past posts. I know for a fact that those I know and let me remind certain (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)s that never met us. Accused us of tire doping. These same people may be posting, but they know (not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word)(not a nice word).

This is nothing to take away from bbqboy, I think it's great to call these false idols out.

[D. Tidrow]

This is nothing to take away from bbqboy, I think it's great to call these false idols out.

Now how do you feel about my favorite band DOWN?