Final appeal

[Dirt Racing #1]

So how exactly are they given the opportunity to prove that they are innocent?The one sided appeal board that ump puts together???Retesting the same piece of rubber at the same lab???Will be difficult if not impossible the way the process is set up..............and that is my beef.Could care less about the personalities involved..

Could request to have another lab do the test

[Barbecueboy]

Could request to have another lab do the test

I don't know that sending a piece of rubber that has already been tested once to another lab would make a difference after the first test was run.

Maybe it's time for the owners to carve out two samples at the time ,handle them exactly the same with the evidence bags et al and send it off to another " independent lab" just for back up.
If they both come back dirty........done deal.
If they both have different results, Houston we have a problem,

Sounds more and more like a drivers Union of sorts wouldn't be all that bad..........



OR

JUST RUN THE OPEN TIRES

[old fan]

From what I've read from the wording of the official statements, and I could be wrong in my comprehension of their posts, is the failed five can only appeal the suspensions terms and NOT appeal the actual results of the tests for why they're suspended. To me this whole thing reminds me of the Tom Brady NFL suspension. Appeals then courts getting involved to ultimately be told that when you sign on the line to play on their track you agree to their rules no matter how wrong or shady they are. The only way I see this stuff getting anywhere is if there's proof of some magical criminal wrongdoing by UMP. So my opinion any money spent trying to fight this any further would be better spent organizing some sort of "drivers union" to fight for some transparency in testing and an actual legitimate appeals process throughout the major late model events/sanctions.

ask nascar how the drivers union worked years ago

[Barbecueboy]

ask nascar how the drivers union worked years ago

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Anybody remember that old Chaka Kahn song " tell me something good"?

Just plug in the words " can you fall down now" in place of " tell me something good"

And sing in silence until the laughter comes.

[Barbecueboy]

ask nascar how the drivers union worked years ago

Worked about as good as NASCAR is working now.......but it got some folks attention.

Which is kind of where we are today in DLM racing.

[kidrock]

How about ump taking 2 samples and sending them off to 2 different labs

[old fan]

then again why not sounds good lol http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/shak...history-070714

[old fan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/07/AR2007020701607.html

[old fan]

would be nice if lucas would do a tire test sometime in the near future

[blncfn57]

Compared to the stance you took in the other threads about this, what I'm reading above looks like a giant kettle full of backpeddle stew..........

What happened to .......they're 100% guilty.....get what they deserve......all cheaters.....no doubt about lab results and collection process and all of that????


You got any crackers to go with that?

It's nice that you took time away from the black lives matter protest to reply.

You're saying I'm back peddling from an earlier post where I said they were guilty? When did I say they were not? I said above that I have been vocal about the topic and for the sake of the 5 drivers, I hope I am proved wrong. I said you may see a compromise.... that's not uncommon between 2 parties.

If I remember correctly, you kept saying while waiting for the results of the first appeal that changes were coming. That's been a month ago and there have been no changes........ guess your inside info didn't pan out this time.

[Barbecueboy]

It's nice that you took time away from the black lives matter protest to reply.

You're saying I'm back peddling from an earlier post where I said they were guilty? When did I say they were not? I said above that I have been vocal about the topic and for the sake of the 5 drivers, I hope I am proved wrong. I said you may see a compromise.... that's not uncommon between 2 parties.

If I remember correctly, you kept saying while waiting for the results of the first appeal that changes were coming. That's been a month ago and there have been no changes........ guess your inside info didn't pan out this time.

A compromise is very uncommon when you have somebody dead to right.........have you ever heard of a prosecutor making a deal with somebody that they had 100% indisputable evidence against??? ever?.......unless it was to turn states evidence and rat on somebody.

And you are 100 percent correct that I said changes are coming............you did notice that not a single tire sample was collected during the whole month full of hell tour racing didn't you????unless there were some done at the end that haven't been reported on.

Has that ever happened before?doesnt appear they have done a ton of testing in any woo events since then either..........I'm sure all that is just coincedence though, right.

No need to change a thing......and they're not, just leave it alone says wonder mutt .(insert eye roll here)

[kidrock]

A compromise is very uncommon when you have somebody dead to right.........have you ever heard of a prosecutor making a deal with somebody that they had 100% indisputable evidence against??? ever?.......unless it was to turn states evidence and rat on somebody.

And you are 100 percent correct that I said changes are coming............you did notice that not a single tire sample was collected during the whole month full of hell tour racing didn't you????unless there were some done at the end that haven't been reported on.

Has that ever happened before?doesnt appear they have done a ton of testing in any woo events since then either..........I'm sure all that is just coincedence though, right.

No need to change a thing......and they're not, just leave it alone says wonder mutt .(insert eye roll here)

How do you know they haven't done any tire testing? I'm just curious

[Barbecueboy]

It's nice that you took time away from the black lives matter protest to reply.

You're saying I'm back peddling from an earlier post where I said they were guilty? When did I say they were not? I said above that I have been vocal about the topic and for the sake of the 5 drivers, I hope I am proved wrong. I said you may see a compromise.... that's not uncommon between 2 parties.

If I remember correctly, you kept saying while waiting for the results of the first appeal that changes were coming. That's been a month ago and there have been no changes........ guess your inside info didn't pan out this time.

It's nice that you bring up the black lives matter movement.........I guess everything is working just peachy for them too.
How dare they shed light on being falsely accused, ridiculed and targeted by someone in authority that you are supposed to be able to trust.

They should just suck it up and deal with it...........seems to be working fine , right?

[chupp n bloomer fan]

If it wasn't for the big races the suspension involves I think they prolly would let it go. I also think that it says alot about how confident UMP/WRG is with their process. A decision to suspend a couple of the biggest names in the sport from some of the biggest races in the sport I bet wasn't taken lightly. This is all JMO, for what it's worth.

Agreed. If it was just them two, I wouldn't bat an eye. They've been there, done that, literally.

Was told by someone who has been tested, that the lab that WoO uses isn't nearly as respected in that line of work as the one Lucas uses. And is under half the price, or at least was. Not that that necessarily means everything.

[chupp n bloomer fan]

Read the registration that every driver signs, there is no legal action any driver can take. They basically sign a waiver cut n dry. End of story.

Them waivers, lol, they stop nothing. A good lawyer would have, has had, a field day with them.