Mod - Car Counts - Central Illinois

[kidrock]

It is nothing but a money eating machine looking out for itself. if the classes are dieng how is UMP or any other sanction benefiting by that explain that

Sorry Lite-inn but, like Pops said UMP has run its course. You can keep making excuse for them but no one is buying it anymore. It's time for them to go. All it's going to take is a couple of tracks to say good bye and it will be over.

[Baddboy1]

in the 90s it was UMP also and it survived gas gas was that high a buck a gallon try 27 cents a gallons and a track in everyones back yard literally , some people would hate UMP hate went to american racers and teched every car every night they just hate UMP guess what all sanctions are hurting , there arew too many classes period not UMP but racing in general

And now UMP has all but killed the Modified and Street stock division.OUTSTANDING job! IMCA is gaining cars as is USMTS. Keep trying to defend UMP but after Bob died,so did UMP.It is nothing but a money eating machine looking out for itself.

[Baddboy1]

I remember back in the 90s certain tracks were getting 5 late models and 15 mods what sanction was it

I remember having so many cars that we had to race Saturday and on Wednesday. Gas was a dollar a gallon.What does that have to do with today.?

[rustymod]

I remember back in the 90s certain tracks were getting 5 late models and 15 mods what sanction was it

Does not matter and don't care what I know for sure is the current sanction ump is not doing anything to help the situation and they need to replaced with someone that will bring in a hard tire at least.

[rustymod]

Even IF the car counts are down in every class its even more the reason a change needs to be made. What do all these things have in common ? The answer is ump. Blame the economy but less money requires a sanction that can navigate its way thru this kind of situation and its not ump.

[kidrock]

That's why my brother and I sold everything lol.

[kidrock]

UMP has run it's course as a weekly sanction. Let them take their supers and run the SN, but for weekly racing they have to go.

Promoters need to go with a new sanctioning body or start their own. They know this, but they know that the racers and other promoters will need to be on board. That's the difficult part.

The restrictor plate, tire and shock ideas all have merit. If they fix the mod rules there won't be a need for a b-mod class unless they use the b-mods to replace the street stocks.

And common sense prevails

[Pops15]

UMP has run it's course as a weekly sanction. Let them take their supers and run the SN, but for weekly racing they have to go.

Promoters need to go with a new sanctioning body or start their own. They know this, but they know that the racers and other promoters will need to be on board. That's the difficult part.

The restrictor plate, tire and shock ideas all have merit. If they fix the mod rules there won't be a need for a b-mod class unless they use the b-mods to replace the street stocks.

[hygty]

then tell me why streets are down sportsman are gone and 4cyls are down its the economy plain and simple blame the idiots in dc and lets make sure the borders are open that will willreally bring the economy and racing back NOT

[kidrock]

I'm kind of curious as to why some want to called it bitching and complaining. When in fact some are just voicing their concerns. The economy does play a part in it but, hence why things are going to have to change or this class will not survive for the most part. Yes there might be some tracks where they keep running A-Mods but, some might replace them with B-Mods. Just my 2 cents which I realize isn't worth the 2 cents lol.

[hygty]

THE economy is not an excuse its a fact along with with how the population is going in the country do you think many minorities or illegals go to the races or would start a team explain ,some teams have moved up or down depending on finances , why would teams build car when at some tracks they may only race 5 times a year, if usra was great just any other sanction we would n't have a discussion every track would go it

[wadegarrett]

ALL THIS B@tching certainly doesn't help both in car counts or crowds changing the rules doesn't help either think about that one the sportsman and street stocks re about dead because of joining UMP or any other sanction that their rules are different that what they had before , its the economy in many others years ago as fan I would 3 maybe 4 nights a wwwk now I am lucky to hit 1 betcha many a racer is in the same but much bigger boat here you want change everyone on 3 link with ct525 nothing else

The economy excuse has been mentioned a lot, and even if that's true it's even more the reason ump needs to go. Ump bmod rules suck, they are forcing everyone to crates and will not enforce any rules no different than any other class. If the bitching does not help, then what's the better plan, cause I can tell you saying nothing and staying with ump is not working. Promoters need to wake up and go with usra or another idea that will help

[hygty]

ALL THIS B@tching certainly doesn't help both in car counts or crowds changing the rules doesn't help either think about that one the sportsman and street stocks re about dead because of joining UMP or any other sanction that their rules are different that what they had before , its the economy in many others years ago as fan I would 3 maybe 4 nights a wwwk now I am lucky to hit 1 betcha many a racer is in the same but much bigger boat here you want change everyone on 3 link with ct525 nothing else

[kidrock]

I'm not so sure the promoters aren't in cahoots with ump. They don't seem to care what is going on. That of course does not include all promoter, but most. I think the only way to change this is thru the drivers and car owners. Boycott these races. Race another series or simple take the year off and work on your cars, trailers, equipment, haulers, stocking parts, or whatever. I personally would hate to miss a year, but it sure seems that there are many, many drivers that are unhappy with the way things are now. This is suppose to be a fun hobby and we all know we can't really make money doing this, so why put up with being unhappy doing something we all love? It just might only take a few months till the promoters see the light and change series.

Its like a double edge sword. I know some promoters that want to drop UMP but, the problem is there are those racers that want to run for UMP points so, the promoters are afraid they will loose those cars to tracks that stay UMP. In my opinion the promoters will step up to the plate very soon if they want to see the class survive because, they can see the decline in the car counts. Heck who knows they might not have any choice but, to drop the class like they have the Super Late Models.

[kidrock]

No gas shocks.... No adjustable shocks ....

Hard tires would be a very good fix among other things>>> but that would be for sure a good start

Yes a very good start on both