Mod - Car Counts - Central Illinois

[z40chief]

What about a shock rule yea or ney?

Last time I read the joke of UMP rules, there was a claim rule on shocks. Quit reading them a few years ago, so they may have changed.

[wadegarrett]

I have heard this rules that limit HP makes things worse theory before. What I do know is that the current situation with UMP and no rules is NOT working at all. There needs to be something in place. A hard tire would be a good place to start. The current alphabet soup of A, versus D depending on where you are racing is not helping things either. IMCA is not limiting HP other than a chip and steel heads and no roller cam, pretty simple rules. Dudes with the bucks are going to spend them no matter what. The key is to make the rules so that all at least feel as though they have a fair shot and can show up and compete without breaking the bank, so that cars arent sitting at home. In UMP land right now that is NOT the case...30k motor and out of control costs and tire prices that are high and ZERO tech.

1. Rules that limit HP only cause those with money to spend it to get around them. 2. Two barrels(no, see #1) 3. How much more does a 3.75 stroke crank cost vs and 3.48 stroke? CI limiting is HP limiting and when you start limiting HP the guys who spend money on the dyno are going to dominate cause they found that last 20hp(see 1). I'm not in UMP country but guys we have 3 mod classes at 1 of our local tracks this is bad all around promoter has 3 payouts and the class is cut up. 10 IMCA cars, 10 USRA cars and 15-20 Southern/northern sportmods(they run together) along with the other 2 full body classes and whatever else shenanigans they are running that night.

[powerslide]

1. Rules that limit HP only cause those with money to spend it to get around them.
2. Two barrels(no, see #1)
3. How much more does a 3.75 stroke crank cost vs and 3.48 stroke? CI limiting is HP limiting and when you start limiting HP the guys who spend money on the dyno are going to dominate cause they found that last 20hp(see 1).

I'm not in UMP country but guys we have 3 mod classes at 1 of our local tracks this is bad all around promoter has 3 payouts and the class is cut up. 10 IMCA cars, 10 USRA cars and 15-20 Southern/northern sportmods(they run together) along with the other 2 full body classes and whatever else shenanigans they are running that night.

[wadegarrett]

shock rule is needed.. Whats wrong with the current IMCA rules ? no roller cams, chip rule and hard tire and a break for running crates. This would allow current cars to run with QCs and keep cost down. Only issue would be no alluminum heads but short of that decent rules that would allow the current cars. Seems to work good in a lot of places. What I can see is the UMP is not helping and current plan is not working, the car counts speak to this.

[kidrock]

my opinion would be run any suspension ... 365 cubic inch or smaller on 2barrell ( No Roller Cam) or crate on 4barrell run them on Hoosier A-40 or a G60 Tire... and let them race

What about a shock rule yea or ney?

[kidrock]

Like I said it won't be long if they can get all tracks on the same set of rules and a decent payout the B- Mods will out number the A-Mods

[bob75]

There ya go

[indyboywilliam]

my opinion would be run any suspension ... 365 cubic inch or smaller on 2barrell ( No Roller Cam) or crate on 4barrell run them on Hoosier A-40 or a G60 Tire... and let them race

[sirleafalot]

Oh, you mean run IMCA...it's funny but it's actually working in central Iowa. Hardcore open motor guys have switched to the crate motors. Not all, but enough. And you can't beat the reliability of them. Davenport, mentioned above, is IMCA, so there's that going on in the eastern part of the state too.

the IMCA deal is fine, because at least the crate engine is an option. The Bmod deal with UMP is a forced crate deal, making the weight deal such that you have no choice but to run a crate with every year adding more weight. At least with IMCA its your choice, and they are on a hard tire too. bring it on.

[MotoMatt]

Oh, you mean run IMCA...it's funny but it's actually working in central Iowa. Hardcore open motor guys have switched to the crate motors. Not all, but enough. And you can't beat the reliability of them. Davenport, mentioned above, is IMCA, so there's that going on in the eastern part of the state too.

[indyboywilliam]

I think if tracks would pay crate mods around $400-$600 they would get more cars than they could support just take a regular mod and put in a crate motor and police them .. and on a Hard Tire..... jmo

[SpringMan]

Davenport had close to 40 last Friday, 4 full heats, 2 B-mains, and I think they started 22 cars. No big payout, just 1st week of points racing.

[indyboywilliam]

were racing crate class and having fun

[sirleafalot]

if crate is the only option then we will change classes or get out. suspension and tires are what really needs to change here.

[indyboywilliam]

where you from dirtmod#8? Run a crate class???