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  • MasterSbilt_Racer
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 14324

    #16
    I am not disagreeing with the other posters, but if you have the rebound and aren't getting too deep into the stop on a rougher track, you can run it and have some benefits.
    Modern Day Spec Wedge Racing

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    • RacerX10
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2007
      • 571

      #17
      Originally posted by MasterSbilt_Racer View Post
      I am not disagreeing with the other posters, but if you have the rebound and aren't getting too deep into the stop on a rougher track, you can run it and have some benefits.
      What i was going to try was putting (keeping) a spring rubber in the 300#, yielding an approx 330 # spring when it's not smooth and slick, and pull that out when conditions warrant. Seems like that would keep it mostly out of the bump until you wanted it.

      Am I crazy ?

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      • Matt49
        Senior Member
        • Jun 2007
        • 3123

        #18
        Originally posted by RacerX10 View Post
        I haven't had anything specific like that done to the shock. I bought it (them) used as a set. What's special about the valving for a Integra IDA on a bump stop ? Again, keep in mind I'm running to "make the show" .. I'm not trying to light the world on fire yet. Will I even be able to notice any difference in a shock valved for a bump ?

        Sure hope that doesn't sound contrary .. just trying to learn something
        Not contrary at all...
        7up hit on it. In most cases, you need the shock to have a different rebound profile than what works best for a standard spring or even for a dual-stage spring setup. I personally wouldn't waste the time with it unless your shock builder thinks you've got something that will work on the rebound side (high "zero" and usually a sharp nose).
        To me, running a bump stop without making the other necessary changes (mostly shock valving) is like running E-85 without changing the carburetor. It may work if the carb wasn't right to begin with but if you don't know that, you're sort of guessing.
        I've said this before and I'll say it again...building a good relationship with a good shock builder is the best time and money you will spend in late model racing. It isn't just about shocks. Most of the good ones know a great deal about vehicle dynamics and understand how to communicate with drivers.
        Just my 2 cents...

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        • SuperEight
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2014
          • 318

          #19
          Originally posted by RacerX10 View Post
          I haven't had anything specific like that done to the shock. I bought it (them) used as a set. What's special about the valving for a Integra IDA on a bump stop ? Again, keep in mind I'm running to "make the show" .. I'm not trying to light the world on fire yet. Will I even be able to notice any difference in a shock valved for a bump ?

          Sure hope that doesn't sound contrary .. just trying to learn something
          Its my understanding if the shock isn't valved for "Bumps" it'll land too hard and you'll get an instant, "PUSH". Secondly if the shock isnt valved to help keep it seated on the bump it'll lift off and you'll lose your drive. The car needs to land just so on the "Bump" and stay seated there. At least that is how I understand it.
          Left 4M and Dirt Late Model racing, 04/12/2016 @12:06AM.

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          • RacerX10
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2007
            • 571

            #20
            Originally posted by SuperEight View Post
            Its my understanding if the shock isn't valved for "Bumps" it'll land too hard and you'll get an instant, "PUSH". Secondly if the shock isnt valved to help keep it seated on the bump it'll lift off and you'll lose your drive. The car needs to land just so on the "Bump" and stay seated there. At least that is how I understand it.
            Thanks for the explanation .. that makes a lot of sense.

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            • 7uptruckracer
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 1336

              #21
              In everyday terms lol high zero is your bleed and sharp or big nose is heavy rebound for the shocks velocity area the control body movement aka not ruts and bumps those are in the high shaft speeds

              Originally posted by Matt49 View Post
              Not contrary at all...
              7up hit on it. In most cases, you need the shock to have a different rebound profile than what works best for a standard spring or even for a dual-stage spring setup. I personally wouldn't waste the time with it unless your shock builder thinks you've got something that will work on the rebound side (high "zero" and usually a sharp nose).
              To me, running a bump stop without making the other necessary changes (mostly shock valving) is like running E-85 without changing the carburetor. It may work if the carb wasn't right to begin with but if you don't know that, you're sort of guessing.
              I've said this before and I'll say it again...building a good relationship with a good shock builder is the best time and money you will spend in late model racing. It isn't just about shocks. Most of the good ones know a great deal about vehicle dynamics and understand how to communicate with drivers.
              Just my 2 cents...

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              • RCJ
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2007
                • 509

                #22
                Somebody should post a picture of a shock graph before we get this guy totally confused.

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                • RacerX10
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 571

                  #23
                  Originally posted by RCJ View Post
                  Somebody should post a picture of a shock graph before we get this guy totally confused.
                  I don't confuse very easily

                  I looked it up .. and thanks for the heads up ! There are a ton of videos on the subject on YouTube.
                  Last edited by RacerX10; 04-02-2016, 09:56 PM.

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                  • RacerX10
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 571

                    #24
                    These shocks have a "Integra by GW" sticker on them. Anybody know anything about "GW" ?

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                    • TALON75
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 887

                      #25
                      That's Gary Winger, he usually does track support for Integra.
                      www.RACE91.com

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                      • RacerX10
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 571

                        #26
                        Originally posted by TALON75 View Post
                        That's Gary Winger, he usually does track support for Integra.
                        Sounds like he probably knows what he's doing, and that I can't afford him

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                        • jrkracing54
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 620

                          #27
                          He certainly knows what he's doing but you might be surprised how affordable it may be also. Shoot him a call and find out what he has to say. Very nice guy. I spoke with him at speedweeks and he was very helpful even though I don't run Integras. John 1*
                          "Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back."
                          — Heraclitus

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                          • TALON75
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2007
                            • 887

                            #28
                            Ya, don't be afraid to call him, very cool, nice guy. But be prepared to be told that what you want to do with the shocks and what they are built to do are two different things!

                            P.S.- if you want a cheap shock guy good luck with that! Chinese parts/tools are cheap but... Well you know!
                            www.RACE91.com

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