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  • perfconn
    Senior Member
    • May 2007
    • 3573

    #121
    True that 35-40# won't get the job done at 6500rpm but 100# is a bad thing also.High pressure is not necessary but high volume is.The flow of oil through the bearings is what lubricates and cools them.Volume and pressure are two entirely seperate issues.

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    • hobby28
      Member
      • Jul 2007
      • 86

      #122
      Well I hope I didn't screw up. I just bought a 10553 for my new 355 SBC 9:1 hobby stock engine. Clearances .002 rods .0025 on the mains with 10/30 oil.

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      • Lizardracing
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 839

        #123
        Perfconn,

        Pressure is a measurement of restriction. Increasing the restriction or increasing the volume will both net higher pressure. They are interdependent. Ideally measuring oil flow would be a better indicator of what an engine would need to survive. Enough to cool without unduly wasting power on pumping losses. Unfortunately there's no practical way to measure the needs of oil flow so we instead rely on pressure ahead of the restriction as a reference point.

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        • TS3g
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 201

          #124
          The only thing that would make this thread perfect entertainment for us uneducated simpletons would be Dynoman chiming in with some story of how he used an oil pump out of a Maserati or something during a private NASCAR Cup test at Nurburgring with Dale Earnhardt driving and they magically picked up 47hp and 5mph.

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          • Dirtracer50
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2007
            • 140

            #125
            has anyone found a need for higher volume pumps when using the direct lube flat tappets? I installed a new cam and lifters in an engine last season and lost a bunch of oil pressure with the direct lube lifters being the only thing I can think of that may have caused it? Was thinking about installing a different pump this winter to get the oil pressure back to a comfortable range. The oil pressure when hot would never get above about 45 pounds. I pulled the pan and all the bearings look good I would just feel more comfortable with a little more pressure.

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            • Dirts4Racing
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2008
              • 195

              #126
              If you wait till CNC replies you will know exactly what you need. He is the only one that knows everything.

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              • CNC BLOCKS
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 595

                #127
                Originally posted by Dirtracer50 View Post
                has anyone found a need for higher volume pumps when using the direct lube flat tappets? I installed a new cam and lifters in an engine last season and lost a bunch of oil pressure with the direct lube lifters being the only thing I can think of that may have caused it? Was thinking about installing a different pump this winter to get the oil pressure back to a comfortable range. The oil pressure when hot would never get above about 45 pounds. I pulled the pan and all the bearings look good I would just feel more comfortable with a little more pressure.
                Seems like there is a big bleed off some where what was your pressure at idle?

                what was the lifter bore clearance with the new lifters?

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                • Hurst390
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 188

                  #128
                  I would check the diameter of the lifters..I don't know about chevy but for my brand it's very hard to find the correct o.d. lifter...
                  You have to check everything with aftermarket parts..
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                  • ford396
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 102

                    #129
                    I would agree with CNC and Hurst390 here. An extra .0005 clearance on 16 lifters adds up to a much larger amount of lubricant bleeding past the lifter. On a positive note, you are putting more oil on the cam lobe. Lifter diameter varies between manufacturers. You may be fortunate that it is a little loose rather than too tight.

                    Bob

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                    • CNC BLOCKS
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 595

                      #130
                      This is a video of oil bleed off between different lifter companies these are roller lifters but it would still apply to a flat tappet lifter as well.

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                      • 7uptruckracer
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2009
                        • 1336

                        #131
                        We had a dart block Mod motor with a 9 quart champ pan the guy put a a high volume pump on and burned it up....He built drag motors not circle track, we turned it 8,500 she burnt up lol We always ran the non high volume stuff We dunno why he changed it but it didn't work for us.....

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                        • 7uptruckracer
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2009
                          • 1336

                          #132
                          I hope this isn't to far off topic I'm not a motor guy what so ever, but have any of you builders run or ran the Accusump system, our guy gave us one but is it really worth it?

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                          • Hurst390
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 188

                            #133
                            I'm sure opinions will vary on an accusump...mine is unless it's plumbed in the end of the line...it's nothing more than a pre-luber...meaning if you did empty the canister due to an engine problem/oil delivery issue...unless it's the last thing to receive oil then it's filling that canister and taking volume away from the engine until it is filled..when engine pressure resumes..
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                            • 7uptruckracer
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2009
                              • 1336

                              #134
                              Yeah this one was somehow rigged up on a switch where we could pre lube the motor on startup then it was closed off in cases of low pressure then it would supply extra, It wasn't on the motor that pumped all the oil to the head....but you don't normally have to worry about that in a well built motor.....

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                              • oldgold
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 207

                                #135
                                accusump

                                Originally posted by 7uptruckracer View Post
                                Yeah this one was somehow rigged up on a switch where we could pre lube the motor on startup then it was closed off in cases of low pressure then it would supply extra, It wasn't on the motor that pumped all the oil to the head....but you don't normally have to worry about that in a well built motor.....
                                my son had one on his figure 8 car so it wouldnt suck air in right hand turns.he had a mechanical valve on it and would turn it on when he started it and shut it before he turned engine off .it heald about 2 qts and he didnt have starvation in the hard right turns.

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