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[ZERO25]

You pay great wages you get great employees.


Bhahahahah…...you obviously have never been an employer!

My dad taught me a valuable lesson during our 35 years in business together. "Money is a short-lived motivator for an average worker"! Great workers are great workers because they take pride in their work, then their pay should be represented by their work.

Average workers will NEVER become great workers just because theyre paid well!

[Barbecueboy]

because when men were killing them selves in coal mines for 2 bucks a day , while one man kept all the money , they were very necessary , that day has gone by , things are different now , as these workers kids and grand kids grew up and moved into management , they realized that treating there employees with dignity and respect was the way to go , the unions are steadily becoming obsolete down here because they have cost jobs , here is one example i personally know of , my uncle was a union steward for years at our local quarry , he did not like the way the " NEW " union was going and gave up his position , a few years later , another non union company bought them out , they had a way better deal , better retirement and benefits , they told the workers if they kept the union out , all the workers would be given the same benefits , the young gun hoe workers said no , we want our union , so they voted to keep it , company said ok , my uncle retired 3 years later , if the union would have been denied , he would be drawing nearly three times the retirement he is now , after 30 years as a union man , you can imagine what his thoughts are......

Outstanding perspective FF.....thanks for sharing that......but somehow ,some way you will be told you are wrong about everything.
At one point unions were very necessary for the reasons you mentioned .....at this point most of them get people overpaid, unmotivated and underworked.....and if truth be known probably adds a minimum of 8 to 10% to the cost of anything they touch or produce.

[Barbecueboy]

Zero , your Dad was a very smart guy for telling you that......great post.

But people working for a paycheck only wouldn't understand what it means to be prideful and proud of their work.....they just want to beech and complain they aren't getting paid as much as what the guy who does take pride in his work does.

Today's unions IMO are the biggest handers out of participation trophies on earth.....too bad because it takes away from the shining stars in the company and dumbs everything down to " meets expectation" levels.....they are very socialism driven IMO.

[kidrock]

The same reason the epa was formed......to protect us from ourselves.....they have outlived their usefulness but it's too big of a business to let fail.

Unions were formed because of companies taking advantage of their employees. The working conditions were horrid and at times down right dangerous. If you think for a minute these companies wouldn't take advantage of their workers then why would they move to countries like China and Mexico so, they can pay cheap labor and they would do it as well. I'm not saying unions are good for every company but, some they still are to this day so, in my opinion they are still viable and if we have to agree to disagree so be it is what it is.

[kidrock]

because when men were killing them selves in coal mines for 2 bucks a day , while one man kept all the money , they were very necessary , that day has gone by , things are different now , as these workers kids and grand kids grew up and moved into management , they realized that treating there employees with dignity and respect was the way to go , the unions are steadily becoming obsolete down here because they have cost jobs , here is one example i personally know of , my uncle was a union steward for years at our local quarry , he did not like the way the " NEW " union was going and gave up his position , a few years later , another non union company bought them out , they had a way better deal , better retirement and benefits , they told the workers if they kept the union out , all the workers would be given the same benefits , the young gun hoe workers said no , we want our union , so they voted to keep it , company said ok , my uncle retired 3 years later , if the union would have been denied , he would be drawing nearly three times the retirement he is now , after 30 years as a union man , you can imagine what his thoughts are......

Then why have some of these companies move to where the cheap labor is? They still can't treat their workers respect. I feel bad for your Uncle. Sounds like his union wasn't very good. They were just taking advantage and that has happened with some of them. They got greedy just like the companies. Greed the root of all evil.

[kidrock]

Outstanding perspective FF.....thanks for sharing that......but somehow ,some way you will be told you are wrong about everything.
At one point unions were very necessary for the reasons you mentioned .....at this point most of them get people overpaid, unmotivated and underworked.....and if truth be known probably adds a minimum of 8 to 10% to the cost of anything they touch or produce.

They are still viable today. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Barbecueboy]

Every active Union member on the planet and in the club will agree with you........everyone else, not so much.

At one time before all of the other workplace protections were implemented the unions were very necessary to protect workers rights.........now they just protect their own jobs and make the people they claim to be protecting almost untouchable and unfireable.....even though they should be.

[Barbecueboy]

Then why have some of these companies move to where the cheap labor is? They still can't treat their workers respect. I feel bad for your Uncle. Sounds like his union wasn't very good. They were just taking advantage and that has happened with some of them. They got greedy just like the companies. Greed the root of all evil.

It's cheaper and more economical to pay someone that sweeps the floor 10 bucks an hour instead of 20 bucks an hour because he is in a union....and heaven forbid one floor sweeper has seniority over another......then a grievance hearing is scheduled to hash it out on who really should sweep.

It's stupid and unnecessary and does nothing but add to the bank accounts of the unions and add to the end users retail price.

[Clayton_Wetters]

No you got it wrong the union worked for him to give a decent wage and good benefits. You know what the Republicans hate for someone to make a decent wage or do you mean we don't give a ---- what 007 has to say then you would be right.

Most big unions are a wing of the Democrat party and could care less about the worker, silly. They just want you to vote the "RIGHT" way, pay your dues for the political coffers, join political protests, ie. obstruct highways and state houses, and beat up scabs. lol

In other words, you are being useful idiots for them.

[Clayton_Wetters]

If a company wants good employees the company has to pay the price of good labor. You pay for what you get. Pay poor wages you get a poor work force. You pay great wages you get great employees. Great employees are hard working individuals and their productivity is a lot greater than a poor employee. This is why companies are willing to pay good salaries and have good benefits. I thought you all were for a capitalist society? Competition is good right? I glad I was able to work for unions and I was willing to pay my dues. The dues was well worth the great pay compare to a "decent" wage. Labor cost is just part of any business and will always be past on to the consumer. You purchase car insurance you are helping pay for someone salary and benefits.

The consumers paid you your wages in reality and the company or business you were supposed to be working for. Not your F-in union!!!
The union is not there just for YOU!!!

[Clayton_Wetters]

Unions were formed because of companies taking advantage of their employees. The working conditions were horrid and at times down right dangerous. If you think for a minute these companies wouldn't take advantage of their workers then why would they move to countries like China and Mexico so, they can pay cheap labor and they would do it as well. I'm not saying unions are good for every company but, some they still are to this day so, in my opinion they are still viable and if we have to agree to disagree so be it is what it is.

The unions drove the auto and appliance industries out of the US and into Mexico and China, wake up!!!

You think people should pay double for these products and appreciate unions in general? Wrong!!!

[Barbecueboy]

Ouch.........that's gonna leave a mark but I think it will buff out.

by this recent Union conversation I see clearly now why SS and Krock say what they say......

[Barbecueboy]

The consumers paid you your wages in reality and the company or business you were supposed to be working for. Not your F-in union!!!
The union is not there just for YOU!!!

They love being led around by a leash and a shock collar......good post CW.

Sad part is , he will tell you you're wrong.

[Clayton_Wetters]

Ouch.........that's gonna leave a mark but I think it will buff out.

by this recent Union conversation I see clearly now why SS and Krock say what they say......

I don't know about that. I really intended to bend the frame.

We now dub thee kidrock as "kid crock"!!!!!

[Clayton_Wetters]

Huh? Really? Page 42!!!!