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[Buford.Justice]

Your signature about a living wage, what a joke. Just exactly what is a living wage? Also what is a "living" profit margin for a company, business, employer, etc.

Yes they depend on a "living" profit margin too!!!!

What is a living wage? Other than a globalist/socialist fabricated cliche???? To create an oppressed group of idiots to rescue, possibly???

[dirtMAN007]

the union protects union member to a point. If the company supervisors don't document bad behavior there is much a union can do. The company has to initiate the process. Union members do not support lazy people and will support the company on a member that's shows bad behaviors. Sooner or later bad employees are flushed out. I have been an union employee for 40 years and have never been on strike.

quite laughable !

[fastford]

While in college I worked summers as a welder in a steel fabrication factory that built industrial racking. Big stuff. I was a card carrying, dues paying member of the union. It was the IBEW=International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. At that time the IBEW was a pretty high powered nationwide union. It might still be for all I know. I made dam good money as a 19, 20 & 21 year old kid. Even as a snot nosed kid I could see where a union was an asset to the rank & file hourly workers. I also found out first hand that the union protected people who should have been terminated. I reckon the old law of physics applies in that for every action there is a opposite and equal reaction. The hard core union workers felt that the protection of those worthy of termination was the price to be paid for what they perceived as the advantage gained by the threat of strike or work slowdown and collective bargaining leverage.

The moral of my story is during those 3 summers that I was a welder and a union member I figured out that for me personally that life was not my goal and aspiration. I knew right then I would not allow myself to wash out of school and go back to that job or one like it. In the long run I may have been better off financially to commit to a lifetime of doing the time clock boogie. At this point I would probably be able to retire in 10 years or even a little less according to the guys I've stayed in contact with from those days. Early retirement won't happen given my situation as it turned out to be, but that's okay. I run my own show and can enjoy life as much as discretionary income will allow.

wow , you and I have way more in common than I thought , I to worked construction with my dad while going to college , we were mill rights , the company we worked for never went union because they treated there employees with enough respect , there was no need , I started my own business in 1987 and will probably be working till I die , or at least I hope so ,,,,,

[Barbecueboy]

Yes he is still jealous and always will be no matter what he tells you. You're still in their heads lol

I go overboard with my dislike for the union just like he goes overboard with his dislike for anything trump .....is that fair enough?

[Barbecueboy]

The Union protects union member to a point. If the company supervisors don't document bad behavior there is much a union can do. The company has to initiate the process. Union members do not support lazy people and will support the company on a member that's shows bad behaviors. Sooner or later bad employees are flushed out. I have been an union employee for 40 years and have never been on strike.

Hate to tell you but we'll run Non Union businesses do it exactly the same way.....and nobody has to pay a fee to come to work.

Cool that you support your family and did what you thought was right by them....admirable to say the least.

But to paint the union as all being and the answer to lazy and crappy business owners is just wrong.

[ss12]

Hate to tell you but we'll run Non Union businesses do it exactly the same way.....and nobody has to pay a fee to come to work.

Cool that you support your family and did what you thought was right by them....admirable to say the least.

But to paint the union as all being and the answer to lazy and crappy business owners is just wrong.

A union may not be for everybody. But thanks to the unions it set what other people in your community gets paid. Its a capitalist society if you want good help you have to compete with other business to get the good qualify employees. If you are not willing to pay a good salary you get what's left.

[Barbecueboy]

A union may not be for everybody. But thanks to the unions it set what other people in your community gets paid. Its a capitalist society if you want good help you have to compete with other business to get the good qualify employees. If you are not willing to pay a good salary you get what's left.

Can't undo 40 years of drinking the union kool aide I guess.....unions have very little to do with setting pay anywhere, except other union shops.

But you keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about it., I understand your loyalties to the people that took care of you......I hope they were as thankful to have you as you were to be paying them to represent you.

[CIRF]

The Union protects union member to a point. If the company supervisors don't document bad behavior there is much a union can do. The company has to initiate the process. Union members do not support lazy people and will support the company on a member that's shows bad behaviors. Sooner or later bad employees are flushed out. I have been an union employee for 40 years and have never been on strike.

I saw several cases first hand where the IBEW protected employees that should, beyond a doubt, be terminated. At the time they had been employed for over a decade and retired as a union member. There were a few who got moved out the door but for every one who got canned there was at least one who hung on with the blessing and protection of the union. FACT! These things I know without any doubt so it's futile to attempt to refute them.

A protracted strike sent International Harvester into a spiral to financial ruin and it literally cost thousands of Harvester union jobs. That is fact. The company foundered for a decade until Case merged with IH and things finally got on track but they've never been able to fully win back the market share that they lost to John Deere during the strike and the lean years after. FACT!

Caterpillar had their problems with the UAW that hurt them severally, as well. Two of my best friends worked at Cat during those days and they said the union was willing to break the company and sacrifice the jobs of the rank & file rather than sign a contract. That got violent and some people were killed. Don't remember the details but it was not good.

wow , you and I have way more in common than I thought , I to worked construction with my dad while going to college , we were mill rights , the company we worked for never went union because they treated there employees with enough respect , there was no need , I started my own business in 1987 and will probably be working till I die , or at least I hope so ,,,,,

I learned a whole lot at that welding job during the summers of my college years that wasn't in the books or part of grad assistant lectures at school. I'm grateful for having learned those basic lessons. They have come in plenty handy when we were just getting started and even to this day. I have the utmost respect for the guys and ladies who work those jobs and show up every day. They're good people and the country wouldn't be worth a $hit without them!

We've got an exit plan set up for down the line when we're older and tired and looking to slow down. That scenario is down the line a piece but as fast as things are moving it'll be here quicker than we think. I don't really want to work 'till I die and I know my wife doesn't and she calls a lot of the shots (thank God!). However, I always desire to have a toe or two in the water, so to speak, but we want some flexibility of time and obligation.

[Buford.Justice]

Give it up BBQ, he gets a boner at the very idea of giving those union dues that go to the Democrat party. woo hoo!!!

[Barbecueboy]

SS seems content, who am I to judge? Doesn't mean I still don't think unions have outlived their usefulness and think they do nothing but add cost and unfortunately in many industries, diminished quality and service.

We all are who we are, and none of us can really be that bad because as goofy as this place is we are here because of dirt racing.....and that's pretty cool.

[lurker]

Is that why VW is building an electric vehicle? VW goal is to out sell Tesla by 2025.

Not a clue on either one of your questions. I still wonder about the overall “environmental” accountability of the Tesla auto, as the energy to power it comes from fossil fuels. That in itself sounds a bit hypocritical. To add, a 200 mile recharge as you stated, doesn’t sound all that enjoyable. A cheap round-town used beater Yaris sounds more “environmental” accountability appealing.

[ZERO25]

SS seems content, who am I to judge? Doesn't mean I still don't think unions have outlived their usefulness and think they do nothing but add cost and unfortunately in many industries, diminished quality and service.

We all are who we are, and none of us can really be that bad because as goofy as this place is we are here because of dirt racing.....and that's pretty cool.

Unfortunately, that union mentality has invaded our govts pay scale. One of my good friends runs a minority owned construction companies that primarily bids on federal contracts. He recently asked me to come help him out as he had so many contracts to get finished. He wanted to hire me as a "on site safety supervisor". My duties were to be on site whenever work was being done at one of the sites. He offered $38/hr which was starting pay delegated by the fed govt. I told him no thanks, i like working for myself plus that wouldnt be nowhere enough money for me to quit what I was doing. He has several young men ages 22-30 that started out making that kinda money with basically no skillset!

That shows how little our govt understands about business! smh

[kidrock]

quite laughable !

It's not laughable at all it's a fact. I've seen it first hand. You have a supervisors who don't have a backbone to discipline employee's but, trust me if the company want's someone fired it will happen as I worked with a guy who was fired because, he missed a call out window and it was at a 911 center. We were on call and when you got called out you had two hours to be onsite to fix any problem they had. He had family in Chicago and he got called out to a 911 center which was near St.Louis in Madison County and he didn't show up for five hours later. This went to the President of the company and to the President of the union and they agreed he needed to be terminated so, if they want someone fired they would be. You have people in the private sector that should be fired but, they're not as as well.

[kidrock]

Can't undo 40 years of drinking the union kool aide I guess.....unions have very little to do with setting pay anywhere, except other union shops.

But you keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about it., I understand your loyalties to the people that took care of you......I hope they were as thankful to have you as you were to be paying them to represent you.

I'm not sure where you're from but, yes sometimes unions will help the private sector wage. I worked for a long distance phone company that was non union and I got comparable to union workers in the same field and the guy who set the pay scale said he had to pay a wage comparable to unions so he could get good workers or they would go where the money was at. Yes I ended up with a union job but, only because, the long distance phone company I worked for got bought out so, yes it does happen.

[kidrock]

Give it up BBQ, he gets a boner at the very idea of giving those union dues that go to the Democrat party. woo hoo!!!

I could care less if the money went to Democrat's or Republicans because, I made a good wage with good benefits and my family benefitted from it so, for the little money I had to pay it was worth it.